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Man Freed After Driving Into Minuteman Protesters
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Posted on 05/28/2005 2:39:36 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

A man arrested when his car hit two protesters at a speech by the founder of a civilian border-patrol group was free Thursday, but five demonstrators were behind bars, police said.

Harold Edmund Netkin, 69, was initially handcuffed Wednesday night, but was later released without being cited, said Garden Grove Police Lt. Mike Handfield.

Netkin's car was surrounded as he arrived at the Garden Grove Women's Club, 9501 Chapman Ave., and demonstrators rocked the vehicle and banged on it, Handfield said.

"We determined it was reasonable for him to move forward," Handfield said.

Two people who were standing in front of Netkin's car fell down when he moved forward, the sergeant said. One complained of knee and shoulder pain and was taken to a local hospital, he said.

According to broadcast reports, the other also went to the hospital.

Police were aware of the demonstration and had five dozen officers on scene "expecting to keep the peace," Handfield said. But some of the estimated 300 demonstrators were there "not to protest but to commit criminal acts," he said.

"A small contingent of people that were troublemakers had backpacks filled with full cans of soda that they were throwing and also cans filled with marbles that they threw," Handfield said.

Some of the protesters wore rubber gloves and donned sweatshirt hoods pulled tightly so only a small portion of their faces could be seen, he said.

Those arrested were identified by police as Hugo Sarmiento Vanlid, 24, Ivan Obed Silva, 26, Shane William Sparks, 21, Fernando Chirino, 23, and Kurt Takeshi Isobe, 18.

Their cities of residence were not immediately available.

"The case will go to the district attorney, who will have the opportunity to look at all the facts we did," Handfield said.

Prosecutors will look at the actions of both Netkin and the arrested protesters, he added.

About 300 people were outside the club as Minuteman Project founder James W. Gilchrist talked to about the same number of people inside, attendees said.

Handfield said some protesters went inside the meeting and appeared to be using cell phones to communicate with those outside.

"It got out of control in terms of protesters getting violent," he said.

Jan Tucker, chair of the California Association of Licensed Investigators, said he accompanied state and local leaders of the League of United Latin American Citizens to the talk.

He said the atmosphere inside the meeting "was the flip side" of what was happening outside.

"It was extremist inside," Tucker said. "The audience was so hostile inside we were afraid to ask questions."

Attendees who were not members of the club were charged $5 and reportedly had to write down their names, addresses and telephone numbers to get inside.

Tucker said he was not disruptive, but was still asked to leave. After refusing, an officer came over and spoke to him, but Tucker said he still plans to sue the California Coalition for Immigration Reform for allegedly violating his rights "because they tried to get me arrested."

Gilchrist spoke for about 90 minutes, blaming high housing costs and low wages on illegal immigration. He was presented with a cake for his earlier border monitoring, Tucker said.

Tucker said members of LULAC were outside demonstrating, but were strictly cautioned to remain non-violent and to refrain from provoking police.

Tucker said none of the people he spoke to after the event mentioned that Netkin's van was surrounded or was being hit, but insisted that he gunned the car at people.

Handfield said protesters broke a car window of "some innocent person coming to listen" to the talk. Police did not witness the vandalism, and no arrest was made.

At about 10 p.m., officers declared an illegal assembly, ordering the crowd to disperse.

The group, which recently patrolled a portion of the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona, has announced plans to patrol a portion of the border in California on Aug. 1.

The Minuteman Project has been accused of racism. Gilchrist has denied the charge, saying his group merely wants to stop illegal immigration.

The group has drawn praise from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, but its members were referred to as vigilantes by President George W. Bush.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
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To: annyokie

>>Vigilantes of any stripe are loose cannons.<<

Okay. . .but what does this have to do with the Minutemen?

They are not out administering justice. . .they monitor and report criminal acts. . .kind of a neighborhood Watch on a larger scale.. . .even less so, since they don't intervene.


21 posted on 05/28/2005 2:59:43 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: TERMINATTOR
One complained of knee and shoulder pain and was taken to a local hospital, he said.

I would create a little pain in this moron's wallet as well. File a civil suit against all of them and invest the proceeds in the MM project.
22 posted on 05/28/2005 3:00:52 PM PDT by schaketo (Not all who wander are lost)
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To: TERMINATTOR
I am Sorry..........


23 posted on 05/28/2005 3:01:45 PM PDT by cmsgop
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To: DoughtyOne
Why doesn't the justice department step in and prosecute them as terrorists, lock them up and throw away the key?

They're deathly afraid of the "racism" accusations that would surely follow such an action.

And the ACLU would go apesh/t.

24 posted on 05/28/2005 3:04:08 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo; BenLurkin

I have read this article three times and I still have two questions:
1 Were the protesters pro or anti Minute Man?
2 Was this article poorly written because it did not make this clear or well written because it managed to hide the agenda of the protesters?


25 posted on 05/28/2005 3:06:22 PM PDT by magslinger (Gun control laws are like OSHA for criminals-Thomas Sowell)
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To: magslinger

Anti


26 posted on 05/28/2005 3:07:27 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Gunrunner2
Attendees who were not members of the club were charged $5 and reportedly had to write down their names, addresses and telephone numbers to get inside.

This is a problem? Where in the constitution are you guaranteed the right to attend and disrupt a private gathering? Could I show up to a gathering of the country club's annual banquet in my skivies, demand to be admitted and claim my rights were being violated if I were asked to leave?

27 posted on 05/28/2005 3:07:28 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: magslinger
Was this article poorly written because it did not make this clear or well written because it managed to hide the agenda of the protesters?

The latter.

28 posted on 05/28/2005 3:08:51 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

The A.N.S.W.E.R. folks aren't made up of one race. It's a broad sprectrum of whites, hispanics, blacks, asians... you name it. The inclusions of R. (racism) in the name is just a leftist ploy. If the violence shoe fits, they must convict...

Thanks Johnny... forgive the artistic license.


29 posted on 05/28/2005 3:13:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

Serves those idiots right.


30 posted on 05/28/2005 3:14:58 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (To liberals, the world is a tragedy; to conservatives, it's a comedy. Zeoncowboy.blogspot.com)
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To: DoughtyOne
The A.N.S.W.E.R. folks aren't made up of one race

But of course. ....they're communists/cultural marxists. But the "race card" would assuredly be played anyway. ....because of the particular issue they're "protesting."

I'm with ya, lock 'em up and lose the key.

31 posted on 05/28/2005 3:17:38 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: lonewacko_dot_com; All
This sounds like a setup to me all the way. What police dept would allow 300 demonstrators outside a meeting such as this. It doesn't make sense unless they are trying to make the MM look bad.

The MSM is desperate to pin anything bad on the MM, I am sure they will try and use this, but is won't work.

Also that BS about not knowing the perps "cities of origin" for the ones who went to jail sound like more MSM/BS gotcha journalism to me.In any high profile story if they really want cities of origin they can usually get at least some of them, they got none.
32 posted on 05/28/2005 3:18:07 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: HiJinx
There's also a difference between the names/ages of the people arrested between this article and one that appeared in yesterday's O.C. Register.

Per the posted article,
Those arrested were:
  • Hugo Sarmiento Vanlid, 24

  • Ivan Obed Silva, 26

  • Shane William Sparks, 21

  • Fernando Chirino, 23

  • Kurt Takeshi Isobe, 18

    Their cities of residence were not immediately available.

Per this  article  on 5/27
Protesters arrested were:
  • Hugo Valid Sarmiento, 25, of Los Angeles

  • Juan Obed Silva, 27, of Buena Park

  • Shane William Sparks, 22, of Altadena

  • Fernando Cortes Chirino, 23, of Irvine

  • Kurt Takeshi Isobe, 19, of Laguna Beach

    Arrests were made on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon, disorderly conduct and possession of a deadly weapon, with the causes varying for each suspect.


33 posted on 05/28/2005 3:27:53 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Gunrunner2

I'm thinking the writer is an ESL student.


34 posted on 05/28/2005 3:27:57 PM PDT by stands2reason (It's 2005, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yes, you could count on the moronic one to five percent buying into that. That's par for the course.


35 posted on 05/28/2005 3:29:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: HiJinx

This whole incident will undoubtedly be spun by the MSM to get something, anything on the MM, edited tapes, screwy interviews, the usual MSM/Old Media/BS we have come to know and slowly but surely ignore.


36 posted on 05/28/2005 3:31:02 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: TERMINATTOR
I get more and more disgusted every time I hear the comment by the president where he refers to the Minutemen as vigilantes.He should be ashamed of himself for giving the liberal scumbags ammunition and for being on the wrong side of such an important battle.
37 posted on 05/28/2005 3:32:04 PM PDT by rdcorso (To Fight And Win The War On Terror We Must Secure Our Borders Now.)
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To: magslinger

Uhhhhh # 2.


38 posted on 05/28/2005 3:32:30 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: rodguy911
Also that BS about not knowing the perps "cities of origin" for the ones who went to jail sound like more MSM/BS gotcha journalism to me.In any high profile story if they really want cities of origin they can usually get at least some of them, they got none.

The posted article was just one big sloppy piece of journalism. See Post 33 for the cities of origin. Note the difference in names and ages.

39 posted on 05/28/2005 3:35:53 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: rdcorso; All
GW needs to remember he is not "running" for anything any more. If he truly is a "conservative" he needs to start acting like one and stop the appeasement of every group that shouts his name or holds out their hands.

We have real good evidence that terrorists have and will use the Mexicon border to cross over here. We need an Israeli type fence and soon!!
40 posted on 05/28/2005 3:38:03 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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