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Shrewsbury dad on sex survey: They asked you if you did what?!
Boston Herald.com ^ | May 26, 2005 | O’Ryan Johnson

Posted on 05/26/2005 6:20:19 AM PDT by Boston Blackie

Shrewsbury school officials are defending a sex survey passed out to 11- and 12-year-olds as a vital way to stay informed of health risks. But the father of a 12-year-old student said his daughter is too young to be asked how many oral sex partners she's had.

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TOPICS: US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; leftismoncampus; moralabsolutes; obscene; peeples; sexeducation
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To: Boston Blackie
Fisher would not allow his daughter to take the survey and is asking the schools to change their policy about how it is issued. Parents now must request their child not be given the survey. Fisher wants schools to require parental permission before it is issued.

This is the solution we should all push for: Make all forms of sex education OPT IN, not opt out. If a school fails to get an informed signature from the parents, then they have grounds for a suit if anything is taught to their child. Informed means that parents must be allowed to review and make copies.

21 posted on 05/26/2005 6:51:28 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Huh?)
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To: Puddleglum

That is a very good post.


22 posted on 05/26/2005 6:52:51 AM PDT by Skooz (Admit Nothing. Deny Everything. Make Counter Accusations.)
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To: jasoncann
A real battle is starting to be waged between X'rs and Boomers...

Check out post 8.

23 posted on 05/26/2005 6:53:20 AM PDT by sportutegrl (Huh?)
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To: Boston Blackie
In addition to the moral and BS quotient, what fries me is the outright disingenuousness of these sickos:

School committee President Deborah Peeples said parents are allowed to view the survey ahead of time, but are not able to take a copy home to review before their children answer it.

``It might be misinterpreted or misunderstood or they could use it to direct their children's responses,'' she said. ``The responses we get here are very accurate.''

It will not, I assure you Dame Peeples, be misinterpreted, misdirected, or for that matter, accurate.

It's just about time, folks.

24 posted on 05/26/2005 6:53:23 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: jamaly
specially considering the fact that most young people now days aren't mature enough to marry until over the age of 25 or 30.

In your opinion, what brought this situation about? And what can be done to correct it?

25 posted on 05/26/2005 6:53:43 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Boston Blackie
``The responses we get here are very accurate.''

No, the responses are those from 11 and 12 yr. olds who would love nothing more than try to shock those who might be reading the surveys. Deborah's a nice lady, and I'm sure she means well, but don't they all when they're trying to 'do good'.

26 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:53 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: liberty or death; Peanut Gallery
Homeschool!!! No sex surveys in our house. :>))

My wife and I are about to embark upon the S.S. Homeschool ourselves.

27 posted on 05/26/2005 6:55:56 AM PDT by Professional Engineer (Memo to republican party - YOU'RE FIRED.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The purpose of these surveys is to put the information before the students, not to extract any useful data. The data could be ascertained by interviewing a representative sample of students. Instead, these things are always given to every single student, unless the student's parents opt out.

If the school finds that it is possible that the survey could have some harmful effect, how is it possible to justify an across-the-board survey of all students, when a much less intrusive survey of a small number of students?

If the school finds that the survey has no effect on students whatsoever, how do they justify the expense of surveying every single kid and the allocation of class time to non-educational activities?

No, the only way to logically justify surveying each child is if the school determines that taking the survey is beneficial in itself - that the survey is provides a benefit to each student who takes it. The reason that they think it is beneficial is because it gives them a forum to put this information about oral sex, etc., in front of the students in a seemingly neutral fashion.

But, as we all know, there is no such thing as neutral when you are talking about kids and sex. When you ask a child how many oral sex partners he or she has had, the obvious implication is "if not, why not?"

I would bet you dollars to donuts the results of these surveys are never even compiled. The point of the survey is the survey itself, not the results.

Reason #5492 why parents who send their children to public school deserve whatever they get. It is not exactly a secret, what they are doing in there, is it?


28 posted on 05/26/2005 7:02:13 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Boston Blackie

The sad truth is that a significant number of these 12 year olds are engaging in oral sex. Our lasting legacy from Clinton.


29 posted on 05/26/2005 7:06:43 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: TheRake
What the hell is going on in Boston!

This isn't Boston, it's Shrewsbury, a fairly middle class suburb about 45 miles west of the city. Libs have been trying to push their agenda for years. I represented our Parish at a local school board meeting several years ago to protest a proposal that condoms be given out at the high school. There were only three speakers, the first two of which were all for the proposal. The last speaker, a medical doctor who was a friend of the school board member who was 'leading' the discussion, spoke strongly AGAINST the proposal. It was very informative that the person leading the discussion got very upset with this man and actually said "But you told me you were in favor of this proposal". That told all of us in the meeting that the whole thing had been rigged to bully us into making the decision FOR the proposal, since all of the speakers, professionals, you understand, were going to be all for it. The overwhelming majority of the people there made it clear that this was something we did NOT want in the high school, and the proposal was dropped.

I don't know if the plan was adopted later on, or not. Our kids never attended the public schools after kindergarten. They either attended Catholic school, or in the case of the two younger ones, homeschooled for a time, our daughter still doing so as a junior in high school. She belongs to the Anime Club at Shrewsbury High School, and talks about the 'Rainbow' posters that are everywhere in the school. The homosexual agenda is alive and kicking there. I saw several "Day of Silence" posters when I was there to chaperone the Anime Movie Night that her club had a few weeks ago. Another mother, who also homeschools her daughter and I were the only parent chaperones for this event. We thought it amusing that we would be the ones doing it, since we were the only ones who had kids in the group who did NOT attend the school!

30 posted on 05/26/2005 7:09:37 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Professional Engineer
My wife and I are about to embark upon the S.S. Homeschool ourselves.

Elf boy is gonna LOVE it! So will bitty-girl, cause she'll be learning right along with him!

31 posted on 05/26/2005 7:11:11 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Boston Blackie

This is a great way to plant the idea that more than one partner is good, is normal.

Plus, since the topic was brought up, the kids can then brag about how many partners they have had, so that the kids with no partners and no experience will feel left out, and if the NEA/GLSEN is lucky, they will want to catch up!

Let's see what the other questions on the quiz were, I'll bet each one is worth its own thread!


32 posted on 05/26/2005 7:11:21 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: gridlock

I live in a rural part of Pennsylvania and they tried to push this survey crap in my sons Middle School. A letter was sent home for the parents permission though.

The part I liked the most was when they said that they cannot reveal to the parents the questions they will ask in order to maintain the "integrity" of the survey.

I kept my kid home that day. It just so happened to be the opening day for Star Wars episode III. We had a great time.


33 posted on 05/26/2005 7:12:18 AM PDT by katnip
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To: Boston Blackie

Put up with this or give up the free babysitting. Hmmm... which will the parents choose?


34 posted on 05/26/2005 7:16:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: The Great RJ

Keep up the good work. We were in Catholic schools through junior high, but the science and math were less than stellar and the costs here have gone out of sight. The good news for us, is the school that my daughters go to is run by the wife of a very conservative local senator. If I had it to do all over again though, I would have home schooled both. It's tough to change the course now. We'll just continue to be vigilant in our efforts to raise god loving children the best we can. Keep up the good work there.


35 posted on 05/26/2005 7:17:37 AM PDT by TheRake
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To: katnip
I kept my kid home that day. It just so happened to be the opening day for Star Wars episode III. We had a great time.

Good for you! It is a shame the schools are working against good parents like yourself, but you just can't trust them.

36 posted on 05/26/2005 7:21:50 AM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
I explained that if the answers are too interesting, the school staff tries to figure out who the "troubled" individual is who filled them out. None of their business.

Remember the effort to get schools "on-line"? The "Information Superhighway" and all that crap? The reason for getting kids on line is to collect personal information from them without parental or teacher interference, and also to remediate students' "aberrant" beliefs and behaviors.

I know it's hard to believe, but check out this letter from Marc Tucker, the President of the Council on Education and the Economy, to Hilary Clinton.

37 posted on 05/26/2005 7:25:22 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Boston Blackie

These are serious violations of privacy. No one but a child's parents has any business quizzing kids about personal stuff.


38 posted on 05/26/2005 7:26:18 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: liberty or death
Homeschool!!! No sex surveys in our house. :>))

I am conflicted on the Homeschool movement.

My biggest problem is this: Homeschoolers by definition have a stay at home parent (the virtual disappearance of which is a MAJOR contributor to the malaise in our society, IMHO).

You (HS'ers) are people who have made a conscious choice to be serious about parenting your children. Now, don't go off on me, but it occurs to me that you also have an alternative opportunity to be an extremely positive example and FORCE within your neighborhood, your children's school(s), and your community.

IOW, don't surrender to the enemy .... combat them on their own territory and light a candle for Christendom in the darkness of your corner of 21st century America.

You're a blessing to your children. But, look around and think about what kind broader of ripple effect your love and concern might have.

Just, a thought.

39 posted on 05/26/2005 7:26:46 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: sportutegrl
This is the solution we should all push for: Make all forms of sex education OPT IN, not opt out. If a school fails to get an informed signature from the parents, then they have grounds for a suit if anything is taught to their child. Informed means that parents must be allowed to review and make copies.

I agree 100%

40 posted on 05/26/2005 7:27:06 AM PDT by Gabz (My give-a-damn is busted.)
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