CA: Immigration event turns hostile (Minuteman)

The Orange County Register ^ | May 25, 2005 | Martin Wisckol

[calcowgirl]

GARDEN GROVE — An event honoring an anti-illegal immigrant leader tonight was marred by altercations between anti-immigration activists and protesters, resulting in an arrest when two demonstrators were hit by a slow-moving van.

The driver was Hal Netkin of Van Nuys, said Barbara Coe, chairwoman of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform.

Protesters were blocking a driveway when Netkin tried to drive through and knocked two demonstrators to the ground, Deputy Police Chief K.J. Raney said.

Netkin was arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon. At least one of the protesters was hospitalized.

"Knowing (Netkin), he panicked," Coe said.

Billy Hall, a member of Coe’s group, said shortly afterward that his car window was broken by a protester. Hall said he filed a police report.

The event sponsored by Coe’s group honored Aliso Viejo resident Jim Gilchrist. Gilchrist’s Minuteman Project last month attracted nearly 900 people to patrol a stretch of Arizona border in an effort to stop entry by illegal immigrants. The effort was praised by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger but condemned by President George W. Bush, who called the volunteers "vigilantes."

"I’m damned proud to be a vigilante," Gilchrist told the 150 people assembled at the Garden Grove Women’s Club. "How about you?"

He received a rousing ovation. He also said that deporting the millions of people in the country illegally would lower home prices, reduce traffic congestion and lower taxes.

Nearly 100 protesters picketed and chanted on the sidewalk. One sign read, "Beat Back the Racist Attack."

"Their racist acts are being masked by patriotism," said Obed Sanchez of Garden Grove. "To say illegal immigrants are coming over here and ruining our lives is ridiculous. We need immigrants like a tree needs water. Even President Bush recognizes that."

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: #19 "What can we expect when our government endorses lawlessness?" (i.e., supports illegal immigration.)

You can bet that immigrant "rights" groups, business groups that profit from tax-payer subsidized labor, the MSM, Democrats, and mainline Republicans are working furiously on the background of each person associated with the Minutemen. Trying to find something, anything.

Plus, leading up to April they made every effort to identify the Minutemen with white supremacy and violent groups. That failed. It was a lie.

During April the ACLU and MSM attempted to provoke violence. That failed.

Now this: confront citizens attending anything associated with the Minutemen and hope for the "best." It's an old trick and worked well in the 1960s.

This has the feel of the 1960s except the participants have no claim to civil rights and don't even have an once of loyalty to the United States, unlike the Americans of the 1960s. This time the activists will have a much easier time provoking conflict. As hard as they tried in the 1960s they could not provoke a war between Americans.

Since the 1960s something new and ominous has been added thanks to the Clintons. Destroy, destroy, destroy.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of the Davidians were they really an armed threat to the surrounding communities, illegal arms dealers, drug dealers, etc., etc. as the Clinton administration and MSM charged?

The government-MSM complex's Davidianization of the Minutemen will begin before the summer is over with. I bet.

[NRA2BFree]

I would bet my bank account that this American who was arrested at the very least has car insurance.

I'm sure you're right. Most Americans tend to obey the law.

[LexBaird]

Where were the cops. Had they been doing crowd control the useful idiots would not have been injured.

According to the man arrested, they were 15 yards away, watching his car being vandalized with him in it. After slowly rolling out of the crowd, they finally bestirred themselves to arrest him.

[NRA2BFree]

They're just breaking the laws Americans don't want to break...

Not so, we want to break those laws. It would put a lot of money back into our pockets, but we are a civilized people and a nation of laws, so we obey. Unlike Mexico where lawlessness runs rampant.

[HKMk23]

whois swarmtheminutemen.com
swarmtheminutemen.com = [ 207.218.158.9 ]
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy Inc.
Registered through: NonprofitDomains.org
Domain Name: SWARMTHEMINUTEMEN.COM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CYBERCASTCO.COM
NS2.CYBERCASTCO.COM

whois CYBERCASTCO.COM
CYBERCASTCO.COM = [ 207.218.156.36 ]
Organization:
Cyber Cast Intl
Jorge Moreno
Adisson House Plaza Suite 20
panama pa
PA
Phone: (507) 264-0852
Email: jemlpdi@hotmail.com
...
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CYBERCASTCO.COM 64.213.56.18
NS2.CYBERCASTCO.COM 64.213.56.19

whois 207.218.156.36
207.218.156.36 = [ linux.ccipanama.com ]
network: Class-Name: network
network: ID: 5659.207.218.156.0/22
network: Auth-Area: net.207.218.128.0-18
network: Network-Name: 1843.1843.OPTY
network: IP-Network: 207.218.156.0/22
network: Organization;I: 1843.OPTY
network: Tech-Contact;I: 2118.1843.OPTY
network: Admin-Contact;I: 2118.1843.OPTY
network: Created: 20030722
network: Updated: 20030722
network: Updated-By: ipadmin@gblx.net

whois CCIPANAMA.COM
CCIPANAMA.COM = [ 207.218.156.36 ]
Registrant:
Cyber Cast Intl
Registered through: Cheap-DomainRegistration.com
Domain Name: CCIPANAMA.COM
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CYBERCASTCO.COM
NS2.CYBERCASTCO.COM

traceroute to 207.218.156.36 (207.218.156.36), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
...
9 Optynex.ge-2-1-0-501.ar1.pty1.gblx.net (208.51.117.170) 114.251 ms
10 core.ccipanama.com (64.214.202.226) 127.922 ms

Hmmm, it seems that all tracerts lead to CYBERCASTCO.COM.

Perhaps Señor Jorge Moreno would be disinclined to risk the potential legal liabilities inherent in continuing to provide services to the SWARM. Just a thought.

[janetgreen]

I'm wondering if this was a set-up.

I think it was. The police know that there have been incidents where illegal aliens step in front of a car at intersections, just to "get bumped" so they can sue the driver.

This happened to one of my sons a while back in Orange (near Garden Grove). He was lucky enough to have noticed what the guy was doing, realized it was deliberate, and stopped before he bumped the guy. He got out, got up in the guy's face and told him he knew what he was trying to do. Of course the guy said he "no speak English", and he took off running. My son called a cop friend of his and told him, and the cop said that this was a common scam by illegal aliens, to get "bumped", feign an injury, and sue the driver.

I'm glad Hal Netkin didn't get charged with anything because he was the victim, not the perpetrator. I'll find the Garden Grove contact numbers and post them so we can complain to them about their lack of action with these savages.

[janetgreen]

Here's the Garden Grove contact page. I think they should hear from all of us.

http://www.ci.garden-grove.ca.us/contacts_html

[monkeywrench]

"Leading to the question: which people, and which country, do the police get their legitimacy from? Who do they "serve"?

They serve the politicians that appoint them.

[Regulator]

Very interesting that it's a foreign website.

Wanna take bets on who's behind the "SWARM"?

Let's see, governments with a vested interest in creating violence and unrest in the United States, and colonization of the United States with people loyal to them...hmmm....now who would be that?

[blackie]

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!

[Republicus2001]

now we'll need Minutemen to protect the citizens

[Republicus2001]

I think you have something there with preemptive hidden cameras...video is everything these days...esp for LE

[HKMk23]

Foreign, indeed. Panamanian, to be precise.

CyberCast, Int'l

But looky what we get when we check out the upstream listed in the tracert:

Optynex.ge-2-1-0-501.ar1.pty1.gblx.net = [ 208.51.117.170 ]
Registrant:
Global Crossing GBLX5-DOM
95 N. Fitzhugh Street
Rochester NY 14614-1212
US
Domain Name: GBLX.NET
Administrative Contact Technical Contact:
Global Crossing hostmaster@GBLX.NET
95 N. Fitzhugh Street
Rochester NY 14614-1212
US
(716) 777-5564

Gee, where have I heard the name "Global Crossing" before?? Hmmmm. This is just getting more and more interesting all the time.

[HKMk23]

I should hasten to ad that this linkage does not implicate Global Crossing in the whole business of providing web services to SWARM, but it is intriguing nonetheless.

[Regulator]

Umm, Global Crossing turned out to be basically a vapor biz being run by and for the upper echelon of the Democratic Party. All the money that was splashed around went pretty much into their pockets or their friends pockets.

That is a really good trace to come up with. It wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that SWARM and other Mexican nationalist, open borders groups were really front groups for DNC initiatives. Remember, these are the Democrat's clients we're talking about here: they lost the Americans a long time ago.

[A CA Guy]

Boy was that story ever written up wrong.

Heard on KFI that they arrested, but did not hold or charge the driver of the vehicle because he was surrounded, attacked and felt his life was in danger and tried to get away.
Meanwhile 6 illegal alien activists were arrested and are being charged for throwing soda cans filled with ball bearings at officers.

[monkeywrench]

How long before the State Dept. issues a warning to people about traveling to Calif.? :)

[moehoward]

Government admits to 10 million illegals here, the real number is some where between 20 or 30 million.

If it wasn't so sad, it would be funny how that number continues to shrink.

The number three years ago was widely reported at some 18 to 22 million, with a million more every year.

I suppose the bright side is, it's easier to deport 10 than 20.

[Regulator]

Boy was that story ever written up wrong

Gee, you don't think that was intentional, doya?

[TomasUSMC]

Notice how they talk about the protestors banging on the van after they talk about the van hitting the people when in reality it was the other way around.