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Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile
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Posted on 05/25/2005 7:41:53 AM PDT by Alex Marko

To day judge R. Paris ruled in the court case against Ayaan Hirsi Ali that she did not acted unlawfully when she talked about the Islam and Mohammed. A group of Muslims had started the trial to forbid her of speaking about the Islam, Mohammed and to forbid the sequel of submission. The judge said he has no indication that Hirsi Ali did grieve the Islamic people on purpose:

"[Hirsi Ali] chooses in her struggle against women suppression an maltreatment consciously for a method that stimulates debate about Islam reform"

But amazingly the judge also warned Hirsi Ali to be careful when she makes statements about the prophet. Hirsi Ali had in a newspaper interview said that according to our current norms and values the prophet was a "perverse tyrant" and a "pedophile". Judge Paris questions, "if it was needed to use these words".

"It looks like if [Hirsi Ali] with the use of these words has sought the limits of the permissible. The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event".

Judge Paris said that she did not break the law when she said it, but that would be questionable if she would repeat saying it. The lawyer of the Muslims says that she has been warned and that she received a red ticket. But Hirsi Ali, later said on Radio 1 that the Dutch language is a rich language and she will find other words. I will use other words for the same event: "I still find it morally wrong". But she also said she has no intention to start bashing Islam or Mohammed.

The Muslims have appealed the case.

But there is more... But that is not all the news around Hirsi Ali today. Integration Minister Verdonk was special guest for the national tree-planting day. She could not go to the event and send Hirsi Ali as her replacement to the 49th national tree-planting day with the theme: "Sow Peace". Hirsi talked to the organization and they where very happy to receive her. She also looked forward to it, because it would be her first public appearance since the murder on Theo van Gogh.

But today burgomaster J.J.M. Som forbids her coming to his city. He declared he could not guarantee her safety: "I do not take that responsibility". But after some political fall-out, he now seems to deny that and says that the organization does not want her to come. He is not available for comments on the affair, because at this very moment he is having a birthday party. But Hirsi Ali says the organization was very positive about her coming.

It turns out, that of the 600 school children not all are local school children they also invited children of an Islamic school out of the city of Heerlen and from an Egyptian school from the city of Amsterdam. And the Egyptian ambassador is invited....

Sight. I think PeakTalk is right in saying he expects that Hirsi Ali will probably continue her career in the USA. He is not the first one to suggest this; friends of her already predicted an international career as well. Many liberal colleagues also want to get rid of her and she knows that. She could be leaving sooner then any one in The Netherlands expects.

On TV But Hirsi Ali revealed more in talk show "Barend en van dorp" (former football commentators who now do politics). For example that she is still waiting for normal housing. The civil servants of Donner want her first to sign a lengthy tennet contract. They say they want to do this right because otherwise they could get troubles in the future, for giving her to luxurious housing for to little money. If Hirsi Ali does not sign the contract, she does not get normal housing. Does a bit sound like extortion doesn't it?

At this moment she still is moved around the country and often does not know where she will sleep that night. She also cannot receive friends where she stays. Even when they forced her to go into hiding in the USA, they did not allow her friends to visit her, because that was deemed to dangerous.

When the talk show hosts ask how it is to live like that, with all those dead threats. She says, it is like being diagnosed as having a terminal disease and the doctor tells you that he does not know how long you have. And when asked about the future she says: "you have to make the best of life while you live".

But she was also the liberal politician. She ignored questions about former liberal (VVD) leader Hans Wiegel who wants to take the leadership of the party and who wants her out. But did talk about Wilders - declaration of independence. As a real liberal (VVD) she ridiculed it, as not being constructive and realistic.

Although she agrees with Wilders, that no Islamic schools should be allowed to be founded in The Netherlands. By this she seems to be positioned as the Muslim critical voice of the liberal party that can keep liberal voters in the party that do not feel comfortable with the rest of Wilders his capitalistic free market ideas, that many deride as extreme. She could be the lifeline of the liberal party.


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1 posted on 05/25/2005 7:41:54 AM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko
All turban, no jihad.

2 posted on 05/25/2005 7:44:36 AM PDT by evets (God bless President Bush and VP Cheney)
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To: Alex Marko

So now in the Netherlands one can rape a child once and not be considered a pedophile?


3 posted on 05/25/2005 7:44:47 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government)
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To: Alex Marko

The idea that a court in a "free" country can forbid someone from discussing a topic is chilling.


4 posted on 05/25/2005 7:46:51 AM PDT by Sthitch
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To: Alex Marko
But today burgomaster J.J.M. Som

Ummm. what's a "burgomaster" ???

5 posted on 05/25/2005 7:49:36 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Alex Marko
" The term pedophile has been chosen unfortunate because for that there would be the need of a pattern, although it is in the story an one time event."

So judge Paris here would be OK if someone molested his child just once or twice but not enough to be seen as a pattern.

6 posted on 05/25/2005 7:49:38 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Alex Marko

All your pedophiles are belong to Allah !!! ;-))


7 posted on 05/25/2005 7:50:30 AM PDT by GeekDejure ("That may be too late!" -- Laura)
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To: Alex Marko

TOP EIGHT REASONS NOT TO IMMIGRATE TO CANADA



8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System.
Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don't qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs - pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.

7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living.
From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times greater.

6. Health Care Crisis.
Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and there is a cap on their salaries.

5. Very High Taxes.
Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter, it's Canada.

4. Money Hungry Government.
Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want foreigners to come to Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived, these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000. Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.

3. No Culture.
Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture. Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last time you had some 'Canadian' food? There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a 'Canadian'. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves as to where they 'originally' came from.

2. Worst Weather.
Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc. From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.

1. No Jobs.
Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified (MD's, PhD's, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs, delivering pizza's or working in factories. Even people with bachelors degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation. This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.


8 posted on 05/25/2005 7:52:20 AM PDT by canuck3000
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To: Alex Marko
Mohammad wasn't a profit, he was a scam artist and pervert to boot. The weakness of islam is demonstrated by the irrationality of its sycophants. They are such weaklings they need there pervert's ramblings to control their women.

The promise of a bacon bit into each muzzie corpse. That way they'll know they're gonna meet mo in hell.

9 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:18 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: evets

That man's rifle is point straight at a very vulnerable place.

Hope he doesn't fall off his cycle. Then he will be all turban and no...well, never mind.


10 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:23 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Alex Marko
Mohammed isn't a pedophile

Bull$^&%!

THE PEDOPHILE PIRATE

11 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:30 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: squarebarb

is point=is pointing


12 posted on 05/25/2005 7:53:48 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Alex Marko
To day judge R. Paris ruled in the court case against Ayaan Hirsi Ali that she did not acted unlawfully when she talked about the Islam and Mohammed. A group of Muslims had started the trial to forbid her of speaking about the Islam, Mohammed and to forbid the sequel of submission. The judge said he has no indication that Hirsi Ali did grieve the Islamic people on purpose..

I thinks I are to became a journalist since verb tense no longer be necessary.
13 posted on 05/25/2005 7:54:02 AM PDT by Millee (So you're a feminist......isn't that cute??)
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To: Alex Marko
It appears the Muslims have Hirsi Ali on the run and mean to force her out of the country and the Dutch are either ambivialent or in agreement.

It is only a matter of time before the jihadists get to her.

14 posted on 05/25/2005 7:55:08 AM PDT by Gritty ("Before you can say I believe in Allah you must put everybody's god in the dustbin-Sheikh Abu Hamza)
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To: canuck3000

That is a great way to shake the Canada tree ;)


15 posted on 05/25/2005 7:58:29 AM PDT by thebaron512
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To: Alex Marko

Is freedom of the press and speech alive in the Netherlands?


16 posted on 05/25/2005 7:58:42 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: thoughtomator

It's just a matter of time before this kind of defence makes it to the Supreme Court. Some judges will see this as "international law" and a pedophile will walk.


17 posted on 05/25/2005 8:02:42 AM PDT by Mr. Keys
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To: Alex Marko
Dutch Judge: Mohammed isn't a pedophile

Not any more. He's dead, Jim.

18 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:17 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Alex Marko; Cornpone

This article has me confused. Now is it the same Mohammed as the "prophet"?

Technically, if he has fu**ed a 9-year-old, doesn't it make him a paedophile?

Netherlands, hand me my red card!


19 posted on 05/25/2005 8:21:44 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: avg_freeper
It must be in NL that you get one free rape and then the law applies. It may be one rape or two sodomies whichever comes first.
20 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:29 AM PDT by Old North State
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