[Ichneumon]

[Probability arguments "against" evolution (and the ones I've actually seen have been bogus) is in no way -- repeat, *no* *way* -- repeat, *NO* *WAY* -- evidence *for* "ID" or "creationism" or whatever you want to call it.]

Then what are they? Further results of natural selection and random mutation?

No, they are the results of creationists making simplistic and faulty calculations based on their poor knowledge (and in many cases, completely misunderstanding) of evolutionary biology.

[Fester Chugabrew]

No, they are the results of creationists making simplistic and faulty calculations based on their poor knowledge (and in many cases, completely misunderstanding) of evolutionary biology.

Are you saying mathematic calculations and probabilities are inappropriate tools for giving evidence of intelligence or design? Can you provide a brief example of their "simplistic and faulty calculations" in your own words?