[Fester Chugabrew]

The presence of a designer would be a good start.

So, when you see an automobile, you need to see the person who designed it in order to have suitable evidence it was designed?

[AntiGuv]

No. I've seen autos being built. That evidence was suitable enough. In any case, I didn't say I had to see the designer. I said its presence. Automobile designers are verifiably present. I also didn't say that was the only acceptable evidence; I said it would be a good start.

If "the designer" would go on TV and show off his designs like the auto designers do when they attend car shows, that'd be more than good enough for me. Feel free to hold your breath.

[Condorman]

Fester: So, when you see an automobile, you need to see the person who designed it in order to have suitable evidence it was designed?

In other words: "The design of living things is evidence for a designer, whose existence is sufficient to conclude that living things are designed."

This conversation looks familiar. I'll bet you a beer it ends like this.