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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

Science feeds on mystery. As my colleague Matt Ridley has put it: “Most scientists are bored by what they have already discovered. It is ignorance that drives them on.” Science mines ignorance. Mystery — that which we don’t yet know; that which we don’t yet understand — is the mother lode that scientists seek out. Mystics exult in mystery and want it to stay mysterious. Scientists exult in mystery for a very different reason: it gives them something to do.

Admissions of ignorance and mystification are vital to good science. It is therefore galling, to say the least, when enemies of science turn those constructive admissions around and abuse them for political advantage. Worse, it threatens the enterprise of science itself. This is exactly the effect that creationism or “intelligent design theory” (ID) is having, especially because its propagandists are slick, superficially plausible and, above all, well financed. ID, by the way, is not a new form of creationism. It simply is creationism disguised, for political reasons, under a new name.

It isn’t even safe for a scientist to express temporary doubt as a rhetorical device before going on to dispel it.

“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.” You will find this sentence of Charles Darwin quoted again and again by creationists. They never quote what follows. Darwin immediately went on to confound his initial incredulity. Others have built on his foundation, and the eye is today a showpiece of the gradual, cumulative evolution of an almost perfect illusion of design. The relevant chapter of my Climbing Mount Improbable is called “The fortyfold Path to Enlightenment” in honour of the fact that, far from being difficult to evolve, the eye has evolved at least 40 times independently around the animal kingdom.

The distinguished Harvard geneticist Richard Lewontin is widely quoted as saying that organisms “appear to have been carefully and artfully designed”. Again, this was a rhetorical preliminary to explaining how the powerful illusion of design actually comes about by natural selection. The isolated quotation strips out the implied emphasis on “appear to”, leaving exactly what a simple-mindedly pious audience — in Kansas, for instance — wants to hear.

The deceitful misquoting of scientists to suit an anti-scientific agenda ranks among the many unchristian habits of fundamentalist authors. But such Telling Lies for God (the book title of the splendidly pugnacious Australian geologist Ian Plimer) is not the most serious problem. There is a more important point to be made, and it goes right to the philosophical heart of creationism.

The standard methodology of creationists is to find some phenomenon in nature which Darwinism cannot readily explain. Darwin said: “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Creationists mine ignorance and uncertainty in order to abuse his challenge. “Bet you can’t tell me how the elbow joint of the lesser spotted weasel frog evolved by slow gradual degrees?” If the scientist fails to give an immediate and comprehensive answer, a default conclusion is drawn: “Right, then, the alternative theory; ‘intelligent design’ wins by default.”

Notice the biased logic: if theory A fails in some particular, theory B must be right! Notice, too, how the creationist ploy undermines the scientist’s rejoicing in uncertainty. Today’s scientist in America dare not say: “Hm, interesting point. I wonder how the weasel frog’s ancestors did evolve their elbow joint. I’ll have to go to the university library and take a look.” No, the moment a scientist said something like that the default conclusion would become a headline in a creationist pamphlet: “Weasel frog could only have been designed by God.”

I once introduced a chapter on the so-called Cambrian Explosion with the words: “It is as though the fossils were planted there without any evolutionary history.” Again, this was a rhetorical overture, intended to whet the reader’s appetite for the explanation. Inevitably, my remark was gleefully quoted out of context. Creationists adore “gaps” in the fossil record.

Many evolutionary transitions are elegantly documented by more or less continuous series of changing intermediate fossils. Some are not, and these are the famous “gaps”. Michael Shermer has wittily pointed out that if a new fossil discovery neatly bisects a “gap”, the creationist will declare that there are now two gaps! Note yet again the use of a default. If there are no fossils to document a postulated evolutionary transition, the assumption is that there was no evolutionary transition: God must have intervened.

The creationists’ fondness for “gaps” in the fossil record is a metaphor for their love of gaps in knowledge generally. Gaps, by default, are filled by God. You don’t know how the nerve impulse works? Good! You don’t understand how memories are laid down in the brain? Excellent! Is photosynthesis a bafflingly complex process? Wonderful! Please don’t go to work on the problem, just give up, and appeal to God. Dear scientist, don’t work on your mysteries. Bring us your mysteries for we can use them. Don’t squander precious ignorance by researching it away. Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.

Richard Dawkins, FRS, is the Charles Simonyi Professor of the Public Understanding of Science, at Oxford University. His latest book is The Ancestor’s Tale


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To: JohnnyM
If God desired fellowship with man, then why go through the evolutionary process to produce man, when he could have easily created him instantly.

Time is meaningless to God. If it took 3 billion of years of what we call "evolution", then that is "instantly" in Gods eyes.

By definition, there can be no conflict between Gods word, and Gods creation. And Gods creation tells us that evolution occured.

Since humans always disagree on the meanings of the Bible, and there is such massive evidence to support sciences view of "how things are". I think that it's the "creationists" interpretation that is wrong.

161 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:07 AM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: donh
I guess all of human history is a "conspiracy" in your mind. Obviously Constantinople believed his mother's excursions of excavations in Jerusalem instead of some "conspiracy".
162 posted on 05/25/2005 8:11:21 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: WildHorseCrash

bump


163 posted on 05/25/2005 8:12:00 AM PDT by WildHorseCrash
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To: Tantumergo
OTOH creationists look for scientific data which seem to support their theory - i.e. that all species were created as they are and that one species does not develop or arise from another one.

Could you point me in the direction of this research? And what, exactly, would this data look like?

164 posted on 05/25/2005 8:13:15 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: atlaw
Christians are being blamed for pollution? That's one I haven't heard before. (Seems like the desperate victimology of certain sects is resulting in some pretty imaginative persecutions.)

Oh FFS. I'm not an Evangelical Christian, and I'm not a Creationist. Global Warming and the idea that Evangelicals are ignorant dupes are basic tenets of the left. The posted article is a just an example of that sort of leftist tripe, only this time, directed at Creationists.

WTF is so hard to understand? The people who hype Global Warming and ones who bash every belief of Evangelical Chrisitians are basically the same. And, oh by the way, they are the same one's who say the same things about conservatives. I'm a conservative. Get it?

Go Sea-Lawyer somebody else's comments.
165 posted on 05/25/2005 8:14:44 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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To: cyborg

Check out PatrickHenry's links. There's lots of them. Yes, I'm sure you'll bring out the beef with "micro" vs. "macro". But until a creationist discovers the mechanisim that limits evolution to a micro scale, then logic dictates that evolution continues unabated.


166 posted on 05/25/2005 8:15:54 AM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: stremba
"Why is the origin of man's physical body at all important for any theological belief?"

Evolution deals with origin of man, something that is intimately related with religion.

Are you saying sin and death were not in the world prior to man having evolved? Are you saying that somehow Adam's parent species is not tainted by this sin, since they were not from Adam?

Did Christ die just for this evolved man and not Adams immediate ancestor?

Evolution and the Bible are incompatible.

JM
167 posted on 05/25/2005 8:18:13 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: From many - one.

Correct


168 posted on 05/25/2005 8:19:28 AM PDT by N. Theknow (BXVI - The cafeteria is closed.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


169 posted on 05/25/2005 8:19:38 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: narby

It's never been observed anymore than creation has. All of PH's links won't show that ANYONE has observed evolution happening. If that was true, it would be world wide. I don't get into debates on cre/evo threads because I already know what I believe and don't care about changing your mind.


170 posted on 05/25/2005 8:19:58 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: stremba

"According to your view, the laws of themodynamics are not science. After all, they rely on interpretation and not accumulation of data."

The interpretation arises from phenomena which are observable, repeatable and verifiable because they are phenomena which occur in the here and now in the same timeframe that the observer exists in.

We cannot travel back in time to observe the transition from a world without life to a world with life, or the point at which a new species appeared, and therefore all the evidence that we can ever hope to have will be circumstantial and will be left-overs from a timeframe which the observer can never be a part of.

Both "evolution" and "creation" are theories which relate to events which happened in a different timeframe than which the observer exists in. Consequently there is a fundamental difference to your citation of experiments which are consistently repeatable and verifiable.


171 posted on 05/25/2005 8:20:24 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: Paisan

Ping to that!

As I have said before,all liberals are atheist!!


172 posted on 05/25/2005 8:22:46 AM PDT by gibonski
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To: Sybeck1
I suggest you might climb out of your preconceptions, conditioned by the common rationalism of Western secularism and Western Christianity for which Blessed Augustine became the Father of Fathers early on, by reading Alexander Kalomiros's The Six Dawns which can be read at http://www.zephyr.gr/stjohn/frread-a.htm. It explains, among other things, the understanding of Genesis among the Fathers of the Church--with particular emphasis on the Cappadocian Fathers and St. John Chrystostom--an understanding which is remarkably consonant with current science.

The only thing which modern science will collapse is the superstructure of rationalistic Western Christianity with its false assumptions arising from over emphasis on the speculations of Blessed Augustine. (Even protestants who don't know Augustine from Tertullian share them, too, because they are all-pervasive in Western Christian thought.)

I suggest others on the thread read it too.

173 posted on 05/25/2005 8:22:49 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (Christ is Risen! Christos Anesti! Khristos Voskrese! Al-Masih Qam! Hristos a Inviat!)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Global Warming and the idea that Evangelicals are ignorant dupes are basic tenets of the left. The posted article is a just an example of that sort of leftist tripe, only this time, directed at Creationists.

The problem is that the "tenets of the left" are basically BS. Socialism is a lousy way to run an economy. Immorality is damaging. Etc. Etc.

But the problem is that they are RIGHT about evolution. Evolution is easily provable to anyone willing to consider the available evidence.

Creationists make all conservatives appear to be ignorant buffoons. Attempting to dissuade conservatives from engaging on this sure-to-lose battle is my reason for posting here.

174 posted on 05/25/2005 8:23:06 AM PDT by narby (Ignorance is God’s gift to Kansas.)
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To: narby
"By definition, there can be no conflict between Gods word, and Gods creation"

Who's definition??

By this definition then we can say the following:
Jesus didnt walk on water.
Jesus didnt make a blind man see.
Jesus didnt resurrect Lazarus.
Jesus didnt feed 5000 with a few fish and some bread.
and most importantly, Jesus did not rise from the dead.

Why can we say this, because science and nature says it CANT happen, and as you said they cannot conflict with God's Word.

JM
175 posted on 05/25/2005 8:23:22 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: narby

"Evolution has been directly observed."

What do you mean by that statement? Have you seen "macro-evolution" in action - or do you mean the "micro-evolution" which produces genetic variation in an individual species?


176 posted on 05/25/2005 8:24:05 AM PDT by Tantumergo
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To: L,TOWM
I never said "empirical proof that the Bible is historically accurate" (there's good evidence it isn't in all cases). I was talking about empirical proof it is the Word of God.

Dear Lord, why is it I keep ending up conversing with people who are unable to parse simple English? Must be the government education system.

177 posted on 05/25/2005 8:24:58 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: narby
"Creationists make all conservatives appear to be ignorant buffoons."

The Word of God and the Gospel of Christ are foolishness to those who dont beleive. So you better be more concerned with the God who bought you, then with the world who hates you.

JM
178 posted on 05/25/2005 8:25:49 AM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: AndrewC

We were discussing Dawkins' article, above, not anything else he may have written.


179 posted on 05/25/2005 8:27:51 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: narby
But the problem is that they are RIGHT about evolution. Evolution is easily provable to anyone willing to consider the available evidence.

Evolution isn't the sole property of the left, the way global warming is. But the tactics they use to argue both views are the same.
180 posted on 05/25/2005 8:28:33 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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