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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: Junior
All sorts of lines of research have zeroed in on pretty much the same age for the Earth: 4.5 billion years.

Indeed.

See my links in my previous post. :-)

301 posted on 05/23/2005 5:52:34 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior
Citations, please. Otherwise, you're just talking out your tail end.

I need a citation for your post first. Otherwise I can only conclude your tail end knows how to use a keyboard, and that, my friend, would be the kind of evolution we all could use.

302 posted on 05/23/2005 5:53:24 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Have you also done your own research to test the claim that the speed of light is c. 386,000 miles per second, or do you take other peoples word for that, too?

I have and look to my previous post for the actual speed. You are way off.

303 posted on 05/23/2005 5:54:30 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew
The proposed age of the Earth has been tested and retested by many researchers across numerous fields of research. As for 4.6 billion years, that age would fall within the margin of error; 5.7 billion would not and no evidence points to Earth being that old.

As I have pointed out many times, you can either pull the numbers out of your tail end (as you are doing) or you can go with the numbers that have been cross-checked and verified.

304 posted on 05/23/2005 5:54:34 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Junior
All sorts of lines of research have zeroed in on pretty much the same age for the Earth: 4.5 billion years. You'd be surprised if you actually did any reading on the subject instead of pontificating from a position of ignorance.

Fool! In The Beginning, by Jack T. Chick.

305 posted on 05/23/2005 5:55:54 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Sigh. No one asked about my microwave, ruler, chocolate method for measuring the speed of light. LOL!


306 posted on 05/23/2005 5:56:47 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Try this. Please note, there are 27 actual citations at the end of the article, including at least one from a creationist.
307 posted on 05/23/2005 5:58:18 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Junior

The first link in my list. :-)


308 posted on 05/23/2005 5:59:09 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew
There is also this from the U.S. Geological Survey.
309 posted on 05/23/2005 5:59:42 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: RadioAstronomer
No one asked about my microwave, ruler, chocolate method for measuring the speed of light.

You've described my dinner this evening.

310 posted on 05/23/2005 6:00:10 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
See my links in my previous post. :-)

Prepare to rebut contentless wave-away reply!

311 posted on 05/23/2005 6:02:26 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

#300: Do those links address the question of planetary alignment, or do they spout current orthodoxy from a handful of scientists who subscribe to uniformitarian principles (and beat science over the head with them), or are they the infallible scriptures of so-called "modern science?"

Thankfully those who are interested in a real education know the difference between reasonable conjecture and immutable fact.


312 posted on 05/23/2005 6:03:32 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Junior

LMAO! Thats in my link list as well. :-)


313 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:42 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
You are way off.

Okay. Give or take 200,000 miles.

314 posted on 05/23/2005 6:06:13 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: 4ConservativeJustices; wallcrawlr
We have all seen "slo-mo" movies like the one from which the frame below was taken. (Actually made by cameras that take many thousands of frames per second -- and are then played back at "normal speed".)

To me, creation was like God pulling the trigger: BAM! -- the light bulb is gone.

To us, with our finite ability to absorb information, we are like viewing the movie: the bullet slowly approaches the bulb and passes through (while the bulb retains its spherical shape) -- and then slowly scatters in all directions.

The "BILLIONS of years" limitation is not God's -- it is ours.

315 posted on 05/23/2005 6:07:23 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: All
Have I seen this before or what?

Prepare to rebut contentless wave-away reply!

311 posted on 05/23/2005 9:02:26 PM EDT by VadeRetro


316 posted on 05/23/2005 6:07:55 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
No one asked about my microwave, ruler, chocolate method for measuring the speed of light.

Do any of these methods measure the speed of light throughout the history of the universe?

317 posted on 05/23/2005 6:09:22 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ColoCdn

"If you're going to call Christians to task for the Ken Ham's of the world, you've got to answer for the Prof. Protsch's. "

We do. We say he is wrong. We say what is wrong. We condemn his results and we let everyone know it.

You want to try the same thing with Mr. Ham, Gish, Behe, etc.?

(nice to see you again, but you sure are grumpy today :=).


318 posted on 05/23/2005 6:11:04 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
address the question of planetary alignment

What is the big deal about planetary alingments?

319 posted on 05/23/2005 6:12:26 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Junior

On a percentage basis how many people in the world have been given the tools and intellect to directly verify the age of the earth? In terms of universal history, how much accuracy should be granted the "billion-year" figures so worthy of acceptace by the masses yearning to be educated? Please give citations with your answer, and keep your tail on that keyboard.


320 posted on 05/23/2005 6:14:31 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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