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The jobs that who won't do?
Star-Telegram.com ^ | May 22, 2005 | Ruben Navarrette Jr. - (Wash. Post Writers Grp)

Posted on 05/22/2005 9:43:30 PM PDT by madfly

Edited on 05/22/2005 9:44:21 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

About 10 years ago, I had a nightly radio show in Los Angeles with an African-American co-host. The hot issue of the day was -- surprise -- illegal immigration.

One night, we were arguing about whether immigrants take jobs away from African-Americans. I insisted that they didn't and that there were a lot of jobs that blacks wouldn't take. My co-host challenged me to name one. OK, I said, bearing in mind the historical context: "How about picking cotton?"


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: africanamericans; aliens; americanamericans; cary; entitlements; fox; illegalsrights; immigrantlist; immigration; jobsnotevenblacks; racialleaders
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1 posted on 05/22/2005 9:43:32 PM PDT by madfly
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
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2 posted on 05/22/2005 9:45:22 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly

BTTT!!


3 posted on 05/22/2005 9:46:47 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: madfly

You could have posted 222 more words as an excerpt. Then people wouldn't have to register to read the article.

An alternative to registering is to use my account:

graybeard _58@ yahoo .com

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For access to more online newspapers click my screen name.


4 posted on 05/22/2005 10:07:29 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: madfly
cotton isn't the best crop on which to make a point like this, given that much of it now is harvested by machine.

Much of it? Is there any cotton anywhere, where it is still picked by hand?

5 posted on 05/22/2005 10:10:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
You could have posted 222 more words as an excerpt. Then people wouldn't have to register to read the article.

I posted the entire article as I found it from a google link. Big Brothers are messing with me.

The full length article appeared in Preview.

I was shocked to see it truncated after I hit "post it", and I know they could have excerpted more copy.

Perhaps it was my detail in the author box, Washing Post Writer, that messed things up. This was NOT a Washington Post article.

The article I posted just before, "Mexico's Fox Defends Comments on Radio" previewed with the option of the auto-excerpt feature or my own, and I was allowed to do so. But not on the second one.

But thanks for the info. Now I'll click on your name, Graybeard58! I'll bet you and I graduated from different high schools together... :)

6 posted on 05/22/2005 10:42:42 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Graybeard58
Is there any cotton anywhere, where it is still picked by hand?

Navels?

7 posted on 05/22/2005 11:04:26 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not everything that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Graybeard58
thanks, but I still screwed up the log-in.

Does anyone remember Freddie Prinz (sp?)in the 1970's joking about who would do 'the bad jobs.'

8 posted on 05/22/2005 11:51:01 PM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: madfly
Born in 1930's, five siblings and I of a one parent family grew up dirt poor in cotton country.

I never saw one Black face in the cotton fields, I never saw one Black face working in segregated fields or riding in the back of other crew trucks as all of us Lilly Whites and Brown Mexicans went back and forth mornings and nights after 10 hour days. If lucky we got fifty cents an hour for chopping the damned stuff and three dollars a hundred for picking it.

Schools were timed to let us out to chop cotton in the spring, back in session for the summer, then back out for September and October to pick it, then back to school for the winter.

Tough life, you bet, but Mother taught us to root wild hog or die. We earned the food we ate and the clothes we wore.

All the more reason to despise and detest the soft and whining gimme, gimme do nothings of today.
9 posted on 05/22/2005 11:53:41 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

LOL!!! How bout the drain?


10 posted on 05/22/2005 11:57:04 PM PDT by fivekid ( STOP THE WORLD!!!!! I wanna get off.........)
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To: Graybeard58
Is there any cotton anywhere...

Oh, it's still out there, all over the central south below a line that runs about halfway between Tennessee's North and South borders. One of the stranger sights you'll see is miles of cotton fields growing between and among the casinos at Tunica, MS.

11 posted on 05/23/2005 12:02:50 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: madfly; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; dagnabbit; ...
Vincente Fox has done more for the MinuteMen project by his comments about Black Americans than we may realize . .

(The American Black Community must become aware and become involved on the onslaught of their way of life and livelihood by the illegal alien invasion.)

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One night, we were arguing about whether immigrants take jobs away from African-Americans. I insisted that they didn't and that there were a lot of jobs that blacks wouldn't take. My co-host challenged me to name one. OK, I said, bearing in mind the historical context: "How about picking cotton?"

12 posted on 05/23/2005 12:36:41 AM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks greybeard !


13 posted on 05/23/2005 1:09:22 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Happy2BMe
Note: seeing Rainbow/PUSH & MALDEF together gives me the shakes.

Statement by Rev. Jesse L. Jackson on Immigration Policy
May 22, 2005

Statement On Addressing the Need For a Comprehensive Immigration Policy and Forging a African American/Latino Coordinating Council

Rev. Jesse Jackson: At the invitation of the Mexican government, I met yesterday with President Vicente Fox in Mexico City to advance the discussion regarding his remarks about Mexican migrant labor and African American workers. Ann Marie Tallman, President and General Counsel of MALDEF, joined me as part of our delegation.

President Fox touched a raw nerve in the United States, and touched off a mild storm of controversy that had the potential to become divisive and polarizing. His remarks were insensitive, offensive, inaccurate and a diversion. We cannot allow even those words to harm a coalition that is necessary for working, poor families.

President Fox shared his regret about his remarks, and realizes the gravity of his comments. I believe he is genuinely concerned about fighting discrimination and supporting human rights for all people. President Fox indicated his strong concern to build bridges and understanding, and committed to strengthening relationships and reaching out to civil rights organizations – Rainbow/PUSH, MALDEF, NAACP, UFW, National Urban League, Lawyers Committee on Civil Rights, NCLR and others - as they gather this summer.

Amidst this storm and turbulence, we will not stoop to manipulation or confrontation. We will not be distracted from addressing the real, critical issues facing African American/Latino relations: comprehensive immigration reform, the status of undocumented workers, fair trade policies, the costs and benefits of immigrant populations, and educational equity for our children. We will turn our pain into power and keep our eyes on the prize.

The fact is, U.S. corporate policy is driving the environment: a policy of exporting jobs and capital, and then importing cheap labor and products to maximize their profits. NAFTA and now CAFTA are one-sided trade agreements that serve to exploit working families on both sides of the border and indeed around the globe.

In this environment, we cannot allow Mexican migrant workers to be used as pawns, nor African American labor to be scapegoated. We will advocate a human rights policy that challenges current U.S. corporate policy and its globalized search and surge for greed and profit.

The best of our tradition is Antonio Villaraigosa's recent landslide victory in the Los Angeles mayoral election. The downside is the recent killing of a young Black youth – Domick Redd – by three Latinos in Downey, CA. We must resist these acts of violence in our communities.

We will redouble our efforts to build strong coalitions and revitalize the historic Dr. King/Cesar Chavez alliance between African American, Asian, Latino, Native American and labor communities. Antonio Villaraigosa's recent victory in the Los Angeles mayoral election points the way for successful coalition building.

Today we issue a call to mass action. The plight of the working poor – voting restrictions, permanent tax cuts for the wealthy, benefit and health care cuts for the poor, under-funded education ($27B under-funding of the Leave no Child Behind Act, with $82B more for the war in Iraq) – is driving our agenda. We shall not succumb to manipulation of race, class and language.

Rainbow/PUSH Coalition and MALDEF and others are convening an African American/Latino Coordinating Council and initiating a series of roundtable discussions to strengthen and energize a new majority coalition – in a way, reviving Dr. King's Poor Peoples' Campaign. The poor are not poor because they do not work as hard, and the rich are not rich because they work harder. The poor are not poor for lack of effort, but rather institutional and systematic inequities in our society.

Our challenges are great, as this administration has launched a right-wing, ideologically based anti-labor, anti-environment, anti-women, anti-civil rights assault. This administration has spent over $300 billion on a war-of-choice in Iraq, but refuses to fund the most basic educational, health and human services at home.

Rainbow/PUSH will convene its 34th annual convention June 11-16, 2005, in Chicago, and will convene our independent political allies around this new majority agenda. From there, all roads will lead to Atlanta, Georgia, where we will march and rally on August 6 for the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act; for the Employee Choice Act and workers' right to organize; comprehensive immigration reform and the Kennedy-McCain bill; for equal, high quality health care for the 55 million Americans without insurance; for education equity for our children; for an independent judiciary where judges place the constitution and the law above ideology.

We must not fight over cheapening the worth of work. We must fight for raising livable wages, health care and education, fair criminal justice system, and resist any vigilantism on the borders or in our neighborhoods. We will fight back, and with a strong coalition, we can win.

Forward by hope and never backwards by fear.

14 posted on 05/23/2005 1:46:46 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

I grew up in Arbyrd, Mo., surrounded by cotton. Did you use a 9 or a 12-foot Bemis?


15 posted on 05/23/2005 2:03:34 AM PDT by thelastvirgil (Help stamp out incumbent politicians: Public enemy number one.)
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To: Morgan's Raider

I know there's cotton but "hand picked" cotton?


17 posted on 05/23/2005 4:08:55 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: thelastvirgil
The fact is, U.S. corporate policy is driving the environment: a policy of exporting jobs and capital, and then importing cheap labor and products to maximize their profits. NAFTA and now CAFTA are one-sided trade agreements that serve to exploit working families on both sides of the border and indeed around the globe.

In this environment, we cannot allow Mexican migrant workers to be used as pawns, nor African American labor to be scapegoated. We will advocate a human rights policy that challenges current U.S. corporate policy and its globalized search and surge for greed and profit.

Jesse Jackson's rhetoric is wonderful...when one agrees with him. He does seem to articulate the total, global picture here. It's about corporate profits vs. the livelihood of everyone else.

18 posted on 05/23/2005 4:13:01 AM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: the anti-liberal; madfly

If you got #16 from the source given for this article and it's a source that must be excerpted, then posting it in its entirety down thread is against the rules too.

It opens up FR to law suits.

"madfly" can correct me on this if I am wrong.


19 posted on 05/23/2005 4:15:59 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: madfly

I didn't think NIKEs were made of cotton.


20 posted on 05/23/2005 4:17:08 AM PDT by DainBramage
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