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1 posted on 05/22/2005 9:32:06 PM PDT by drt1
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Unfortunately, this has the echo of the Jessica Lynch PR fiasco to me.


2 posted on 05/22/2005 9:32:56 PM PDT by nj26
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Of course this MSM outlet is more than eager to chronicle this angst and shed as much disrepute on the Military as possible.
3 posted on 05/22/2005 9:34:21 PM PDT by drt1
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Ummm .. if I recall .. it was the media that pushed the story


4 posted on 05/22/2005 9:35:16 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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I think the military was slow in releasing the details (they always are especially when an investigation is called for) however, I wouldn't buy some jackass attorney's spin on things.


5 posted on 05/22/2005 9:38:34 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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Accidents happen in war, part of the "game". I was in the Army over 30 years ago. These parents have no clue. Their willingness to join the dark side show they aren't made of any "steel". I hope they are happy helping our enemies.


6 posted on 05/22/2005 9:39:55 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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He's still a hero, regardless of how he died.
7 posted on 05/22/2005 9:40:37 PM PDT by endthematrix (Newsweek lied, people died)
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OH GUYS actually I wouldn't be suprise if ESPN or Jim Rome would have senior Tillman on his radio show

If I know the Clones they be messing with US Army and Pentagon TRUST ME

How I know I listen to Rome show


8 posted on 05/22/2005 9:42:09 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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<<"Pat had high ideals about the country; that's why he did what he did," Mary Tillman said in her first lengthy interview since her son's death. "The military let him down. The administration let him down.">>

The administration honors Pat Tillman's ideals by trumpeting his sacrifice, which his parents now dishonor by making this kind of political hay out of it

the soldiers who committed gross negligence, as the army's investigation has determined, will suffer for their mistakes to the extent that they're not forgiveable


10 posted on 05/22/2005 9:46:39 PM PDT by dwills (BIGOTS!? We don't need no stinking BIGOTS!!!)
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The man gave up a lucrative career and volunteered for duty. Soldiers die every day in friendly fire incidents. That doesnt lessen the matter. In my eyes he is a hero. The MSM would just love it if they could prove that he was drafted against his will and are doing their damndest to downgrade this Military and the job they are doing....!
11 posted on 05/22/2005 9:46:49 PM PDT by Jay Howard Smith (Retired(25yrs)Military)
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Sad to see that they are allying themselves with those who hate their son. I doubt if that is what he would have wanted.


12 posted on 05/22/2005 9:48:40 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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The army is evil. The pentagon is evil. The administration is evil. America is evil.

But the folks that mocked their son and belittled their son and called him names not worth repetition because he left athletics to serve his country are not evil, apparently, because the parents have joined with them.

I respect their son's service. HE is a hero.

I respect their pain.

I do not respect their reaction to pain. I have had my fill of parents presuming to speak for their children against the choice they made to serve their country. They can speak, but I refuse to listen any longer.


13 posted on 05/22/2005 9:51:55 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family — which was weeks after a nationally televised memorial service that honored Tillman on May 3, 2004.

Ummm .. isn't it normally procedure to wait until an investigation is completed before telling he detail of what happen?

14 posted on 05/22/2005 9:51:57 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey GOP ---- Not one Dime till Republicans grow a Spine !!)
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A difficult issue indeed..

Does the military have an obligation to truthfully disclose the circumstances of a soldier's death?
Do that soldier's family have a "right" to that information?

Is it "unpatriotic" to complain when the pentagon stonewalls a family on those circumstances?

I have read articles, reports, etc., as far back as the Korean War where such freindly fire deaths were covered up by the military..
This Tillman incident is nothing new..

The Pentagon needs to determine a standard policy on the reporting of deaths and circumstances, then stick to it..
If officers or administration fail to adhere to the standard, there should be real penalties administered.. ( like loss of rank or postition, minimum..)

None of this makes one iota of difference concerning the sacrifice Pat Tillman made..
He served his nation honorably and well..

But a policy of truth in these matters would keep the left and the leftist media from capitalizing on such occurrances, and alienating the families..

18 posted on 05/22/2005 10:03:16 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom; not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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Sounds like lawyers got them snookered into suing the Army.


21 posted on 05/22/2005 10:30:47 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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24 posted on 05/22/2005 10:49:56 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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More than a year after their son was shot several times by his fellow Army Rangers on a craggy hillside near the Pakistani border, Tillman's mother and father said in interviews that they believe the military and the government created a heroic tale about how their son died to foster a patriotic response across the country.

Can't let the American people find out the reality that war is hell and not a movie where everything goes according to plan.

27 posted on 05/22/2005 11:47:37 PM PDT by Penner
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No denying the loss of Tillman's life was tragic, but death by friendly fire is all too often the norm, not the exception.

The following incidents come to mind, but there were many, many, more. In WW2 near St. Lo France, US heavy bombers dumped their bombs on American positions, killing over 800 Americans. At Salerno, the US navy opened up on American bombers, killing over a 100 airmen. At Anzio, US bombers bombed Americans, killing over 100.

As Sherman said, "war is hell." In war mistakes happen and men die, those are the facts.


33 posted on 05/23/2005 12:16:21 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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That information was slow to make it back to the United States, the report said, and Army officials here were unaware that his death on April 22, 2004, was fratricide when they notified the family that Tillman had been shot.

Over the next 10 days, however, top-ranking Army officials — including the theater commander, Army Gen. John P. Abizaid — were told of the reports that Tillman had been killed by his own men, the investigation said. But the Army waited until a formal investigation was finished before telling the family — which was weeks after a nationally televised memorial service that honored Tillman on May 3, 2004.

It doesn't seem the Tillmans realize how important their son had become to millions of Americans, and in their continuing grief, they are acting as if the shameful circumstances of his death would have served some purpose splashed across the world.

She said she was particularly offended when President Bush offered a taped memorial message to Tillman at a Cardinals football game shortly before the presidential election last fall. She again felt as though her son was being used, something he never would have wanted.

I wonder how she would have felt if her son had been used by guys like Ted Rall multiple times over if the Army said, "Pat was killed by the troops that couldn't shoot straight."

34 posted on 05/23/2005 12:28:38 AM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Freeping since March 1998. This is my blessing. This is my curse.)
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When a posthumous award is given to a fallen comrade, it is frequently written with your comrade’s loved ones in mind. If he died badly, through an accident or his own negligence, it does no good to relate this information to his family. In the past, a final gift to a fallen comrade has been a creatively written posthumous award that his family will cherish forever as they remember their son’s life and the precious gift of life he gave to his country.

May God damn forever the liberal leftist journalists who have robbed the Tillman family of this final gift their son’s comrades gave to them.


38 posted on 05/23/2005 5:48:54 AM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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This is so sad. Their son did something that nobody can ever take away from him. He gave up the good life to join his brother in protecting his country. What more can a man or a country ask of one of their sons? My prayer is that the parents let it go as hard as that may be. Grief is a powerful thing.


40 posted on 05/23/2005 6:04:23 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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