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To: RefugeeFromA2; Vn_survivor_67-68
McCain is as disloyal to his party as he was to his country when he was in the North Vietnamese prison.

Say anything you want about McCain's party loyalty; however, and less you have evidence to the contrary, it is insulting to all American servicemen and especially former POWs to imply that McCain was disloyal during his time in the Hanio Hilton. I have never heard ANYONE, and certainly none of his fellow POWs describe anything of the sort.

30 posted on 05/22/2005 9:58:20 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

" I have never heard ANYONE, and certainly none of his fellow POWs describe anything of the sort"

Really?

How would you like it in McCains own words?


35 posted on 05/22/2005 10:03:03 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: wagglebee

On October 27, 1967, four days after being shot down, McCain called for a North Vietnamese guard. He told the officer, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." -U.S. News and World Report, May 14, 1973 article written by former POW John McCain"

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/551478/posts?page=35#35

Can We Believe McCain?
John LeBoutillier
Monday June 4, 2001
Amid all the controversy over John McCain’s weekend with Democratic Majority Leader Tom Daschle comes McCain’s "denial." He said in a phone call to G.W. Bush, "I have no intention of switching parties or of running for president."
Should McCain be trusted?

Can we believe what he says?

Is this so-called hero someone who always tells the truth?

Here is a private story that may go a long way toward answering these questions:

When John McCain was a POW in North Vietnam, one of his fellow POWs was Colonel Ted Guy. In fact, Ted was the SRO (Senior Ranking Officer) in one of the camps and was therefore superior to McCain.

Ted Guy, by the way, was known as one of the toughest and strictest POWs. He brooked no nonsense – and no cooperation with the North Vietnamese forces.

Ted always liked and respected McCain. After they all came home they remained friendly.

In the early 1990s Ted Guy read every book and article about the entire POW mess and then came to a startling reversal of thought. He realized that the United States government had indeed abandoned hundreds of other POWs at the end of the war and that those POWs were still alive in Vietnam and Laos. So Ted began speaking out, writing to his fellow former POWs – and even held a big press conference in Washington at the National Press Club.

This new position put Ted at odds with McCain, who was then serving on the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs.

McCain has led the fight against all those of us who believe there are still POWs held against their will in Southeast Asia.

One day in 1991 Ted Guy – living then in San Antonio – received a phone call from McCain. (Unbeknownst to McCain, Ted tape recorded all his phone calls.) McCain said, "Ted, I just had a good conversation with your friend John LeBoutillier. I think everything is just fine. …”

When the call was over, Ted called me and told me what McCain had just said. Ted then asked me, "John, did you just have a conversation with McCain?"

Flabbergasted, I replied, "I have not talked with McCain since 1985!"

A few weeks later McCain again called Ted Guy to try to dissuade Ted from leading the pro-living-POW faction. And, again, on went Ted's home tape recorder. McCain began, "Hi, Ted, how are you?"

Ted was ready. He said to McCain, "John, the last time you called me you claimed you had just had a conversation with John LeBoutillier. But in fact you hadn't talked to him in six years!"

McCain immediately replied, "I never said I had had a conversation with John LeBoutillier. I don't know what you’re talking about."

So there you have it!

John McCain is either a complete liar or else he is so mentally unstable that he cannot remember what he said a few weeks earlier to someone he has known for 30 years.

Either way we must never trust him – nor should he ever be allowed anywhere near 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/4/60019.shtml

and on mostly unrelated topics, have a gander at the McCain-related titles here:

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Sen._John_McCain.shtml


57 posted on 05/22/2005 10:21:32 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: wagglebee

I agree with you about McCain's service to our military.

He was honorable, in every way.

I respect the way he votes on many conservative issues, but he's just too much of a wild card to ever --- and I mean EVER --- get my support.


108 posted on 05/22/2005 11:32:05 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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