[Dan from Michigan]

I don't think I needed to put a puke alert since it's obvious being a gun grabbing editorial by Josh Horror, I mean Horowitz of CSGV. He even sites his buddy Josh Suckermann, I mean Sugarmann of VPC in this one.

[Tabi Katz]

The most recent example of the tension came last month, when Florida Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill that allows people to use deadly force -- including guns -- when faced with a violent threat, even when a confrontation could be avoided by simply walking away.

He's right. Imagine, those backward Bushes have gotten the crazy idea that people actually have the right to defend themselves! If I am ever confronted by an armed robber or rapist, instead of using force I will beg him to spare me while I await help from the Almighty government. No thug would want to harm me if I fell to his feet crying hard enough . /liberal "logic"

[de Buillion]

"The most recent example of the tension came last month, when Florida Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill that allows people to use deadly force -- including guns -- when faced with a violent threat, even when a confrontation could be avoided by simply walking away. The new law goes far beyond self-defense, which was already a well-established right in Florida, to invite vigilantes to substitute their judgment for the judicial system. "

Florida eliminated it's "requirement to run" law, and I believe adapted Texas law that says basically that any legally armed citizen is not required to run. If you feel that your life is being threatened, you can use deadly force, and this has not caused any problems in Texas.

[Caipirabob]

Josh, if you're really serious about changing things, feel free to go out there and confiscate all those guns on your own.

[freepatriot32]

josh (w)hor(e)witz

[freepatriot32]

ping

[ARepublicanForAllReasons]

I don't think I needed to put a puke alert

Pardon me if I go ahead and puke anyway.

[Eastbound]

"As LaPierre puts it, "The Second Amendment is the fulcrum of freedom in our nation, because freedom and the Second Amendment are mutually interdependent. They are the 'chicken and the egg;' neither can exist without the other.""

So what part of that statement can't the commies/socialists/gun-grabbing fascists/fabian/gramsciites understand?

" . . . they are threats to our democracy and our way of life.", says Horrorwits.

Of course they are! They are supposed to be. Take 'your way of life' and 'democracy' and set up shop in another country, stupid. We'll keep our Republic -- one way or another. Count on it!

[Waco]

So Josh, just what is it you have in mind for me, that you're so damned worried about me having a gun?? Hmmm?

[devolve]

"Citizens need to be armed
to protect themselves against
a tyrannical government."

                -- Senator Ted Kennedy

[freepatriot32]

horwitz osunds like apretty jewish name and it seems to me there was a country that had democratically elected officials that passed laws whose policies were subjected to review by an independent judiciary in a constitutional democracy and that constitutional democracy passed a buttload of guncontrol laws around 1938 and the end result wasnt to great fora whole lot of people in that country

[ccmay]

The standoffs at Ruby Ridge and Waco -- often cited as proof that the government can and does abuse its power -- illustrate why armed resistance is a dead end. Randy Weaver and David Koresh may have had good reasons to distrust the government, but they had no right to use private arsenals to keep the police at bay.

Those were tactical defeats, but moral and strategic victories, for the cause of freedom and gun rights. Government types sometimes forget that these are liberties jealously guarded by millions of people. Waco was a bracing reminder that there are limits to what government can foist on the people in this country. The scrutiny the FBI and BATF endured afterwards will be long remembered by those in charge.

If they believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy.

Straw man! Nobody I know ever argues that this is the case. Armed resistance is for when constitutional democracy is usurped.

-ccm

[ccmay]

As famed legal scholar Roscoe Pound observed, however, "A legal right of the citizen to wage war on the government is something that cannot be admitted

I never heard of this clown. It is obvious he has not read the Constitution of the State of New Hampshire.

Part I, Article 10: [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

June 2, 1784

[JudgemAll]

This is bourgeois to bourgeois scarifying tactic.Stick to your guns,the ones who don't will be fried,despite the implicit threat.As Christ said:if you have money,give it all away,and sell your coat to buy a sword.

[gakrak]

"This warped conception of popular sovereignty is at the root of the most egregious anti- democratic proposition advanced by the gun lobby: that citizens need to arm themselves to safeguard political liberties against threats by the government.

Sounds like the purpose of the second ammendment to me. Amen.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

Read later.

[Route101]

"Guns equal freedom"....what else needs to be said?...no one will ever consider invading your abode if they even think you have a weapon...believe me, it's true.

[Atheist_Canadian_Conservative]

Poor Horowitz. I'm sure someone will protect him.

Or maybe he is already safe - it makes complete sense that criminals obey gun laws and would never think of getting a weapon through illegal channels, noooo. Man, must be nice living somewhere other than reality.

[Gritty]

"Protecting vigilantes from criminal prosecution and urging citizens to stockpile weapons for a showdown with the government are more than just threats to public safety -- they are threats to our democracy and our way of life." - Josh Horowitz

As usual, the Libs have it all wrong.

FREEDOM

[UltraKonservativen]

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE RESET BUTTON ON THE CONSTITUTION...BEN FRANKLIN?

[Guard Dog]

This warped conception of popular sovereignty is at the root of the most egregious anti- democratic proposition advanced by the gun lobby: that citizens need to arm themselves to safeguard political liberties against threats by the government.

Good thing he was not around during the American revolution.