[Dan from Michigan]

I don't think I needed to put a puke alert since it's obvious being a gun grabbing editorial by Josh Horror, I mean Horowitz of CSGV. He even sites his buddy Josh Suckermann, I mean Sugarmann of VPC in this one.

[Redcloak]

The libertarian in me thinks that Josh should be allowed to sniff as much glue as he pleases. After all, it's his money and his life. However, I still have hope that his loved ones will intervene.

[Tax Government]

Every last person reading FR should join NRA. Even if you don't own a gun.

[Stonedog]

I don't think I needed to put a puke alert since it's obvious being a gun grabbing editorial

I think you missed the boat on this one. The only thing that decreases the puke alert level is the fact that is was posted by someone above reproach. I certainly haven't been here long enough to get away with it.

[Mark]

Just the talk of GUNS gives me the heeby-jeebies. I'm so frightened.( /Lib weenie squeal)

[BipolarBob]

"If they believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy.

Noone is opposed to CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY,they're opposed to the unconstitutional direction certain groups (money hungry politicians and power mad judges) wish to take us. And freedom is worth fighting and dying for.

[goldstategop]

Liberals think we can walk away from violent criminals without confrontation, huh? If someone wants to kill you, all the kumbaya thinking in the world ain't gonna stop it from coming true. Here's where I differ with liberals: I believe a trusty gun will stop a criminal dead cold. That's common sense with a bullet. And its just one example of how America's gun culture protects the one right on which all the others are dependent: the right to life. Josh Horowitz doesn't get it!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[Billthedrill]

One wonders what "way of life" they're talking about here. And it is interesting to hear them assert that Randy Weaver had "no right" to resist law enforcement with a "private arsenal" when his case was that of an innocent civilian entrapped by the deliberate abuse of a gun control law, a gun controller's wet dream if ever there was. Weaver's wife was murdered as a result. If this is the "way of life" that's being threatened then I'm all for that.

[garandgal]

In the urban industrial society of today a general right to bear arms so as to be able to resist oppression by the Government would mean that gangs could defeat the whole Bill of Rights."

Well, well, well...this would certainly explain the sudden inexplicable fascination with "gangs" by the MSM and some segments of our government lately.

A brand new "reason" to have gun control; since the others weren't working.

[TheWriterTX]

Hey Josh:

Let me make this reeeeealllly simple for you so you can understand it.

The Constitution does not grant me rights; it merely enumerates the inalienable ones I possess by virtue of my humanity. My rights are in instrinsic part of what defines me as a HUMAN BEING. One of those Rights is the ability to keep arms to protect my life, the lives of those I love, my property, and my country, if necessary.

Our government was established for the SOLE PURPOSE of PROTECTING my ability to exercise those rights.

Everytime you gun grabbers pass another law restricting my ability to exercise my rights, you are imposing an unjust sentence on me. You are punishing ME by limiting MY freedoms because OTHERS have committed a crime (and, as a result, violating other inalienable RIGHTS).

If depriving people of their inalienable RIGHTS is your idea of "democracy" and a "way of life," then you are seriously confused. TOTALITARIANISM denies people their rights and your "way of life" SHOULD BE protecting my ability to freely exercise my rights.

As I said in my article, "So, You Want To See Me Naked?" many years ago, I will NOT play the victim for you. I will not leave myself exposed so you can feel as though you have done something. My days of being a helpless female are over, and you will take my gun from my cold, dead hands.

[mc6809e]

He should be clear:

Thug gun culture is a threat.

Responsible adult gun culture is the answer to that threat.

[Stonedog]

By framing the gun debate as a choice between protecting liberty and the illusion of safety

What illusion? You'd think evidence from DC would let the gun control idiots know that their plans are not working. Violent crime rates in concealed carry states are much better than in strict control states.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Huh. Any man who doesn't WANT nor support the right to own a gun....is a wuss.

How's THAT?

[dread78645]

The standoffs at Ruby Ridge and Waco ... Our system includes democratic safeguards, such as juries, ...

Do you suppose this ding-wah ever heard of Lon Horiuchi?

[dbwz]

Randy Weaver and David Koresh may have had good reasons to distrust the government, but they had no right to use private arsenals to keep the police at bay.

OK, wait a minute... so does this mean that we have no right to defend ourselves against a government that would do something to us to inspire distrust?

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

And the really ironic thing is that lefties are consistent critics of both law enforcement and military in any discussion not having to do with gun control.

[Sofa King]

"If they believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy."

Funny... because you're the ones advocating something that the actual constitution explicitly forbids. Liberals sure do like to talk about the constitution, but only in vauge reference and never in actual substance.

[JerseyHighlander]

I think this is a good article. It demonstrably shows the lack of depth and understanding, absence of common sense and knowledge of the history of the country, the CSGV has on the American landscape.

These people have nothing to stand on, and are busy noodling with symantics to prove high convoluted talking points, turning off anyone who has a ounce of self respect. There is no way this can be described as 'inspiring' punditry, it barely musters a response by pro-RKBA activists, it's so utterly senseless it doesn't create any response, even after reading it, it won't exist in the minds of those who read it in a few days time. I'm already forgetting it. I remember this author runs this group, they must be the most dull and witless bunch of people in the DC beltway. How can you publish articles where the only half lucid point is based on a well documented case of government entrapment?

Who donates to this guy's organization, they must be complete fools. This huckster can't even publish a decent 800 word article. Wonder how well he pays himself.

[The_Macallan]

"This warped conception of popular sovereignty is at the root of the most egregious anti- democratic proposition advanced by the gun lobby: that citizens need to arm themselves to safeguard political liberties against threats by the government."

Yeah, these are some people with some really "warped" ideas:

"I carried it (a revolver) religiously and during the summer I asked a friend, a man who had been one of Franklin's bodyguards in New York State, to give me some practice in target shooting so that if the need arose I would know how to use the gun."
~ Eleanore Roosevelt, from her autobiography.

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
~ John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961.

"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
~ John F. Kennedy, April 1960.

"The Second Amendment isn't about protecting ourselves against criminals. It's about all of us protecting ourselves from all of you."
~ Dr. Suzanne Gratia, a survivor of the Killeen, Texas Luby's massacre speaking to Congressman Charles Schumer (D-NY) while testifying before Congress, 1994.

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
~ Hubert Humphrey, from "Know Your Lawmakers, Guns," Feb. 1960, p. 4

"There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people had not been 'brainwashed' about gun ownership and they had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazi's."
~ Theodore Haas, former prisoner of the Nazi's Dachau concentration camp.

"And today, when I am asked that question, I tell people it doesn't matter whether you're Hungarian, Polish, Jewish, or German: If you don't have a gun, you have nothing."
~ Menashe Lorinczi, Auschwitz survivor on why Jews didn't resist in Auschwitz.

"Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation."
~ James Madison,

"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property."
~ Thomas Paine,

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes"
~ Thomas Jefferson,

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
~ Thomas Jefferson,

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It's Not Just A Gun...

It's My "HOMELAND DEFENSE RIFLE"!!

[claudiustg]

This talk may go over in New York City, but out here in Montana things are a bit different. You don't want to mess with our pickups and rifles! And you can keep your Eastern liberal nose out of our religious practices too!

[SpaceBar]

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."

-Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler

[spinestein]

[As famed legal scholar Roscoe Pound observed, however, "A legal right of the citizen to wage war on the government is something that cannot be admitted. ... [because] bearing arms today is a very different thing from what it was in the days of the embattled farmers who withstood the British in 1775. In the urban industrial society of today a general right to bear arms so as to be able to resist oppression by the Government would mean that gangs could defeat the whole Bill of Rights."]


Judging by this bilge, I would say that "famed legal scholar Roscoe Pound" is only famous because he makes people laugh.