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Oxygen from moondust is worth a mint
nature.com ^ | 05/20/05 | Michael Hopkin

Posted on 05/21/2005 12:40:21 PM PDT by KevinDavis

How do you fancy winning a cool quarter-of-a-million dollars? That's the prize on offer for the astronomical alchemist who can create breathable oxygen from moondust.

(Excerpt) Read more at nature.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gold; moon; nasa; prizes; space
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Moonward ho!! There is gold in them hills...
1 posted on 05/21/2005 12:40:22 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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2 posted on 05/21/2005 12:40:55 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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As I recall, they expected a very thick layer of dust on the moon from the normal theories about how the moon originated, and it simply wasn't there. The landers had snowshoe like feet and it turned out they didn't need them.


3 posted on 05/21/2005 12:57:07 PM PDT by tahotdog
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To: KevinDavis
Simple: heat it.


4 posted on 05/21/2005 12:57:43 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Help Nature to thin the herd. Eat a liberal.)
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To: Viking2002
It cannot be so simple.

NASA would probably want to see some functional hardware of the type that they can blast to the moon and it would then run autonomously. Is nuke power disqualified from the competition?

5 posted on 05/21/2005 1:00:45 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: RightWhale
I was talking about the concept, not the logistics of it. Heat it enough, it'll start outgassing. But, I never said it would be a two-step process.


6 posted on 05/21/2005 1:04:42 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Help Nature to thin the herd. Eat a liberal.)
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To: Viking2002

Oxygen is not the big trick for the moon. Water is. The moon is 1/3 oxygen by weight. There is next to zero hydrogen and that is a stopper until we get on our horses out there and start moving comets. Water is common in the solar system, but it appears to be just about totally missing from the moon. If NASA had a prize for developing water on the moon they wouldn't seem so insulated from the people of earth.


7 posted on 05/21/2005 1:09:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: RightWhale; Boot Hill; Jeff Head; PoorMuttly; Eaker; ExSoldier

Ping to people smarter than me......Ok I need a bigger ping list....I know I know......:o)


8 posted on 05/21/2005 1:09:49 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: RightWhale
I read once that if there was dried concrete on the moon, lunar settlers would mine it for its water content. It's that dry.
9 posted on 05/21/2005 1:12:40 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Squantos

NASA is toying with us. They wouldn't make your ping list though. :)


10 posted on 05/21/2005 1:14:23 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: RightWhale

I think that's why they're targeting the north lunar pole. If they're right, there's a small ocean of frozen water locked away there.......
http://ryansrant.gettinlater.com/nmtt/images/banner2-2.jpg


11 posted on 05/21/2005 1:16:03 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Help Nature to thin the herd. Eat a liberal.)
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To: mvpel

Having cement dust all over myself and my boots at the moment, I can testify that there is considerable water in concrete in some form or other.


12 posted on 05/21/2005 1:16:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: KevinDavis

If I figured how to get oxygen from moon dust I sure wouldn't tell NASA about it for a measley qurter of a million, i'd patent it and tell them what royalties they will pay to recover it.


13 posted on 05/21/2005 1:16:18 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Viking2002

It is a prime location. Every wannabee space-faring nation that has expressed a desire to put a base on the moon has mentioned that location as a great place for their moonbase. There might be some competition. The water hasn't been proved up yet, but there could be a fair amount there--enough to fight over like bedouins at an oasis.


14 posted on 05/21/2005 1:19:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: dalereed

The major expense would be hitching a ride up there with all the gear.


15 posted on 05/21/2005 1:20:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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To: RightWhale

"The major expense would be hitching a ride up there with all the gear."

Making a deal with Burt Rutan would probably be a lot cheaper and a whole lot quicker than depending on NASA!


16 posted on 05/21/2005 1:27:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: RightWhale
I thought they proved out water ice in the craters at the poles, where it's shielded from the Sun and immune from being blasted apart into hydrogen and oxygen and blown into space.

Yeah, here it is:

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/ice/ice_moon.html

On 5 March 1998 it was announced that data returned by the Lunar Prospector spacecraft indicated that water ice is present at both the north and south lunar poles, in agreement with Clementine results for the south pole reported in November 1996. The ice originally appeared to be mixed in with the lunar regolith (surface rocks, soil, and dust) at low concentrations conservatively estimated at 0.3 to 1 percent. Subsequent data from Lunar Prospector taken over a longer period has indicated the possible presence of discrete, confined, near-pure water ice deposits buried beneath as much as 18 inches (40 centimeters) of dry regolith, with the water signature being stronger at the Moon's north pole than at the south (1). The ice was thought to be spread over 10,000 to 50,000 square km (3,600 to 18,000 square miles) of area near the north pole and 5,000 to 20,000 square km (1,800 to 7,200 square miles) around the south pole, but the latest results show the water may be more concentrated in localized areas (roughly 1850 square km, or 650 square miles, at each pole) rather than being spread out over these large regions. The estimated total mass of ice is 6 trillion kg (6.6 billion tons). Uncertainties in the models mean this estimate could be off considerably.

17 posted on 05/21/2005 1:31:02 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: KevinDavis

Luna doesn't have the gravity to hold an atmosphere of any gas. And without a starting large atmospheric pressure, water, air, etc. will all blow out into space as fast as you make it.


18 posted on 05/21/2005 1:35:09 PM PDT by HighWheeler (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecclesiastes10:2)
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To: RightWhale

LOL.........I'm still working that buttered bread on the back of a cat gravity thang anyway......:o)

Stay safe !


19 posted on 05/21/2005 1:42:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: mvpel

Water is possible, not yet proved. They need to excavate, which was attempted a couple years ago with null results.


20 posted on 05/21/2005 1:57:08 PM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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