[agitator]

Bend over,  here it comes again

http://taor.agitator.dynip.com/on_law.htm

By the way, NY was taxing fuel use long before 1919 and registering your car was an OPTIONAL and ALTERNATE method of paying motor fuel use tax. The same non-constitutional scam they use to rape you for the alleged "privilege" to drive is but a microcosm of how they have taken a 3 branch republic and converted it into a 1 branch tyranny but nobody wants to hear it. I don't know why I bother.  

[Tallguy]

The program is the first step in a long-term plan to replace the state's gasoline tax...

Belive that, and I'll tell you another one! Aren't we still paying a telephone tax that dates back to the Spanish-American War? Once created, a tax is forever.

[zoso82t]

Where's the incentive for people to buy eco-friendly cars when they get charged 1.2 cents whether they're driving a Prius or a Hummer? Liberals are truly stupid.

[msf92497]

We keep telling the beaurocrats and the state legislature

"NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO"

when it comes to "enhancing state revenue" by new taxes, raised taxes, new fees, etc.

BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO LISTEN.

I am so damned sick of the whimpy Oregon "Republican" (in name only) legislators. Grow a pair, boys and girls!!! And knock off the crap!!!

Oregon is on the way to becoming the least business-friendly, and most over-taxed state in the USA. Which sucks, because wages in Oregon are very poor.

[Muleteam1]

First "air inflation" devices in the dashboard, and now "electronic odometers" and "GPS" in every car. Why don't these bureacratic jerks just bomb GM, Chysler and Ford and get it over with?

Muleteam1

[keats5]

This is just so wrong on so many levels.

[Patti_ORiley]

" ...a long-term plan to replace the state's gasoline tax"

There is little chance any new form of taxation will "replace" any existing taxes. Oregonians will be paying a mileage tax in addition to a gas tax!

[BobL]

"Oregon raised its gas taxes six times from 1981 to 1991 to keep highway funds flush, but politicians have been unable to muster the political will for any increases since then."

This is the problem. So the politicians don't have the guts to raise the gas tax as required, they're going to instead stick big-brother in your car.

Now, at 1.2 cents per mile, the tax is reasonable. The problem becomes when the authorities figure out how much people are really willing to spend to get from point A to point B.

In California, on one stretch of toll lanes (SR 91), it now costs 75 cents per mile to drive at peak time. Here in Texas, our existing toll roads are 10 to 15 cents per mile (at all times), and the new ones coming in will very likely exceed 20 cents per mile.

Of course, that is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more money than needed for roads, so guess what - we all get a BRAND NEW TAX (which is the real bottom line here) - and the ability of government to monitor and control our movements (through targeted tolling).

And thought that there are FReepers that support this type of big-government control disgusts me - but they are out there, and in big numbers.

[SaveTheChief]

The program is the first step in a long-term plan to replace the state's gasoline tax

This is a joke, right? Do people actually believe that this tax will go away?

[nathanbedford]

Here is a law the left can love. It will be a duplicative tax not a substitute. It discourages the private use of autos. It permits the state to monitor your movements. It gives the left more play money. A four bagger.

The left hates autos for the same reason they deride cowboys, because they are free agents, even free spirits, moving about the world without by your leave and without real control by leftists. When people move about in public transportation they are much easier managed. It is not a question of the environment but of the implacable lust of the left to control every proton on earth that really motivates these sorts of laws. If we had perpetual motion devices installed in cars which created no pollution, the left would seek to regulate them out of existence, although upon a different pretext.

[TheOtherOne]

The cars also will have Global Positioning Systems (GPS) so drivers will not be charged for driving outside state borders -- the tax is only meant to be applied for use of Oregon roads. Tracking cars' locations also could allow extra fees for traveling in congested traffic areas or during rush hours.

Are people really this stupid to ask for this crap?

[DakotaRed]

Why not start taxing bicycles and their riders as well? Why stop there? They could also license bicycles like a car and make them undergo yearly safety inspections and force their riders to undergo yearly physicals as well, at a predetermined expense at the State Department of Health.

While they are at it, they could start taxing shoes as well and also tax energy drinks, as a fuel.

Maybe a toll stand at every sidewalk corner would help them too. Tax jogging trails as well, they shouldn't miss out on the fun. (all sarcasm, I hope you realize)

It reminds me of how tax happy King County in Washington is, until a tax was proposed on their latte drinks, to help fund child care. Of course, they voted down a tax increase on their favorite item.

[jwh_Denver]

It depends on whether you want to drive on roads or not drive at all. We have to pay for the upkeep and replacement and building new roads and bridges for our highway infrastructure.

[sunset212]

So this will work with "specially equipped gas pumps" paid for by whom? What exactly is the profit incentive for gas stations to add a major capital improvement? Or is the state planning on running the gas stations, too?

[Salvation]

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[rgboomers]

Oregon began testing this concept decades ago on big commercial trucks. I know because once upon a time, a long time ago, I was an independent trucker. I stayed out of Oregon as much as possible because of their highest in the nation road use tax.

This cost Oregon tax payers dearly in lost business and higher shipping costs as Oregon taxes on commercial vehicles were not just higher than other states by a little, but by huge margin.

Apparently, Oregon politicians are so happy with what they wrought on commercial vehicles they want to do it to everybody.

[KingKenrod]

Keep it up Oregon, we need more red states.

[eno_]

to rape you for the alleged "privilege" to drive

You would be amazed at how many jackboot fetishists think owning and driving your own car is a privilege. You car, your gun, your child, your house. They are your's only as long as the JBTs think you are staying in line.

[PISANO]

I hear you.......but things like this are SO ENTRENCHED in our daily lives that elimination would probably cause panic. I am amazed that 200 million people just seem to go ho hum when they look at their paychecks and see what Uncle Sam KEEPS of their money EVERY WEEK and just simply believe it is NOT THEIRS to begin with.

There truly is NO WHERE to go but further down the slope of Socialism. Our nation's apathy will eventually make all of us DEPENDENT and put us all into total bondage!!

[Logical me]

Hey, what's next. Maybe a chip installed in all citizens to tax the air we breath. How about this chip would tax us every time we ate at a fast food place. You know, they would install in all fast food places a monitor device that would tricker the chip in you and tax tax tax tax. Hell, no stopping this liberal crap. Oh, I forgot no more red light camera. Will be replaced with same type of trigger on all red lights, ah, gotcha. Whoops forgot the stop signs. Maybe this trigger will register your body if it didn't come to a complete stop, a 250 fine. Shi@, Shi@, Shi@

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Tracking cars' locations also could allow extra fees for traveling in congested traffic areas or during rush hours.

Or during a "tax emergency" when the legislature just decides it wants to spend more money than they have coming in.