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Oregon tests novel mileage tax
Stateline.org ^ | 050520 | agitator

Posted on 05/21/2005 8:56:17 AM PDT by agitator

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To: agitator

This is the final straw. I was thinking about moving out of Oregon and this new tax convinced me finally to take the necessary steps. Driving my automobile at 38 mpg will cost me at least $ 250 more per year with this mileage tax.
F#@K Oregon!


61 posted on 05/21/2005 11:06:26 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: calex59
" Do you really believe that we don't make enough money on gas taxes to support our infastructure? "

Yes and no. In Texas, we clearly do not have a high enough tax to keep up with growth, that's why our lovely Republican governor is trying to convert us to toll roads.

California does have higher taxes, and lops the sales tax on to gas, but you would have to look at the numbers carefully to determine if it is high enough. It's not cheap to build roads, even when it's done efficiently (just think about land acquisition costs out there).

But at least with only the gas tax, you retain some privacy.
62 posted on 05/21/2005 11:06:47 AM PDT by BobL
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To: getsoutalive

675+ views, maybe 15 clicks on the link in my first comments below the article, and I'll bet nobody read beyond the first paragraph. We're doomed.


63 posted on 05/21/2005 11:08:31 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: BobL
However, if you can show me ONE STATE in this country where the revenue collected by the gas tax has exceeded the rate of inflation, plus the increase in population growth in the past 20 years, I might agree.

I got one for you. Show me where the cost of building roads has risen above the amount of money taken in by the states each year by gas taxes. Gas tax revenues do increase every year by virture of more drivers on the highway.

Whether gas taxes are tied to inflation or not has nothing to do with it, what counts is the amount of revenue taken in compared to the amount needed to be spent.

States do NOT use the gas tax money for road building or bridge repairing. We need to vote tax happy legislators out of office and if you truly believe we can't get rid of them I feel sorry for you. You have already given up and resigned yourself to 10 dollars gas so we won't have road taxes. It is THIS type of attitude that burdens us with taxes not a "lapse" in gas taxes. Gas taxes have never lapsed in this country they keep right on building and increasing the coffers with every new driver.

64 posted on 05/21/2005 11:10:05 AM PDT by calex59
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To: ex-Texan

"Driving my automobile at 38 mpg will cost me at least $ 250 more per year with this mileage tax. "

Don't move to Texas. If you drive 20,000 miles per year, half on toll roads, figure on paying something like $1,500 to $2,000 more per year.

I would kill to see the gas tax be raised 20 cents per gallon instead, since that would only cost me something like $100-$200 per year, and I wouldn't have this damn government watching everywhere I drive.


65 posted on 05/21/2005 11:10:20 AM PDT by BobL
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To: agitator

Me. Donning my tinfoil hat. Hiding.


66 posted on 05/21/2005 11:16:18 AM PDT by getsoutalive
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To: calex59
"Gas taxes have never lapsed in this country they keep right on building and increasing the coffers with every new driver."

I guess that's it then - for some reason you need a tax to fight, and this is the most convenient.

My property tax 10 years ago: $2684. My property tax now (same house): $6418. [increase due to higher rate, and much higher assessment]

My gas taxes paid 10 years ago: $400. My gas taxes paid now (same car, 20,000 miles per year): $400 [no change in federal or state tax rates]

Change in the cost of living in the past 10 years: about 40% increase.

Maybe in your world the gas tax hasn't lapsed, but the state of Texas cannot do nearly as much with the money they collect from me buying gas as they could 10 years ago. Whereas they are loaded-up big-time from my property tax.

Oh yea, did I mention the sales tax....
67 posted on 05/21/2005 11:20:20 AM PDT by BobL
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To: BobL
California does have higher taxes, and lops the sales tax on to gas, but you would have to look at the numbers carefully to determine if it is high enough. It's not cheap to build roads, even when it's done efficiently (just think about land acquisition costs out there).

California does not even keep the roads they have now in repair. When I was young CA had wonderful roads, now they are all crap. The reason? It is simple. The cost of following the enviros rules on building or repairing anything keeps a lot of the work from being done, and then also all of our monies from gas taxes are used somewhere else. Those are the two biggest reasons with the money being pissed away on other projects of the legislature, which of course are mainly libs, being at the top. They do the same thing with the lottery money that was supposed to be earmarked for schools, spend in on other things.

They are follwing the lead of the US legislatures that decided that SS money could be spent for anything but SS.

It isn't a matter of taxing gas more, it is a matter of responsible spending and the voters have to start voting these tax and spend people out of office. That is the easiest and most effective solution for every state.

As long as liberals have contol and republicans are too spinless to do anything about it, then we will have the problem of not enough money for anything let alone roads.

The solution for them is simple, tax us and shackle us with control devices that will enable them to keep track of us day and night so we will be good slaves.

Vote them out, don't vote for more taxes, vote for better government, but do it soon.

68 posted on 05/21/2005 11:22:14 AM PDT by calex59
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To: BobL
I've made my point about paying 10x as much per mile through tolling, so I won't repeat it.

BobL, I find your defeatist attitude towards taxation curiously repulsive. You may roll over and play dead and allow state government to run roughshod over you, but I will openly fight excessive taxation all I can.

Had our founding fathers carried the same attitude, we would still be a subservient colony of Britain.

Living just across the river from Portland, Oregon, what Oregon does also affects me, although I rarely go there. We are currently fighting a phony governess in Washington with the same "tax them to death" attitude. I won't just sit around and accept excessive taxation. I work hard for what I earn and feel I am entitled to keep at least a little of it. Keeping the "you can't fight city hall" attitude just empowers the Liberal Taxinators to move us closer and closer to Socialism. It's not an easy fight, but fight them I will.

69 posted on 05/21/2005 11:26:00 AM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: msf92497

You guys got a long way to go to beat Maine.


70 posted on 05/21/2005 11:28:21 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: calex59

"California does not even keep the roads they have now in repair."

I know it's a mess there, and the state wastes huge amounts of gas tax money - I'm just saying that the alternative (tolling, in any form) is actually much, much, worse, as you will get the worst of both.

The libertarian argument is that you charge tolls to "manage" the drivers, and clear the congestion - but try to imagine it - it is really SCARY.


71 posted on 05/21/2005 11:28:55 AM PDT by BobL
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To: nathanbedford

"The Left hates autos"
Yeah,but they all DRIVE them!


72 posted on 05/21/2005 11:31:29 AM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: TheOtherOne
Are people really this stupid to ask for this crap?

Yes they are. I first realized that when I saw an interview on the BBC with one of the people in charge of traffic planning in London. Due to the extreme congestion there in the city, the stated goal of the traffic planning commission was to make it as difficult as possible for people to drive in the city. Therefore they encouraged on-street parking so as to clog up the streets and make it difficult to get around, they vetoed any new parking garage construction proposals so it would be difficult to find a place to park, they installed traffic lights where none was needed so traffic would back up at intersections, and so forth. I was stunned.

73 posted on 05/21/2005 11:32:01 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: DakotaRed
"I work hard for what I earn and feel I am entitled to keep at least a little of it. Keeping the "you can't fight city hall" attitude just empowers the Liberal Taxinators to move us closer and closer to Socialism. It's not an easy fight, but fight them I will."

I hear you. I just wish I could focus you guys more on getting the costs of government down, without the sabotage of our freeways being the result. I'd love to see things like paying market rates for highway construction crews, rather than the super-inflated "prevailing wages", and eliminating the phony market for teachers (i.e., requiring them to have an education degree, as if that does a damn bit of good). In fact, I'd just like to see vouchers replace public schools completely. That alone would leave so much money available for roads that government wouldn't know what to do with it.

The only tax you'll ever see me defend on this site (or anywhere) is the gas tax, because I have seen the alternative, and it is UGLY and EXPENSIVE.
74 posted on 05/21/2005 11:35:51 AM PDT by BobL
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To: rgboomers

**highest in the nation road use tax.*8

Is this still ture? Probably going higher?


75 posted on 05/21/2005 11:43:06 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: msf92497

**Why the heck do you Oregonians keep electing them?" **

|Believe me, we're working to un-elect them. Just remember the big blue city -- Portland.


76 posted on 05/21/2005 11:44:23 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: blackie

**Drill for oil and gas, build more oil refineries, build more power plants, including nuclear!**

Agree with you all the way.

Then, of course, the dimocrats have stalled the Energy Bill in the Senate. (We really need to get rid of Wyden.)


77 posted on 05/21/2005 11:46:01 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Wyden is a darling of the lunatic left. *sigh*


78 posted on 05/21/2005 12:06:51 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: agitator

bump


79 posted on 05/21/2005 12:23:09 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("THE REDNECK PROBLEM" ..... we prefer the term, "Agro-Americans")
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To: zoso82t

Actually, the hummer will pay LESS tax per gallon. LOL.


80 posted on 05/21/2005 12:30:26 PM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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