Carrier America sunk off coast

Daily Press ^ | 5/20/2005 | Peter DuJardin

[Monterrosa-24]

Reason #37 of why the Greens are bad for the environment. Foundries cannot recycle steel/iron/metals due to Green air regs. Thus steel keeps getting sunk. Even the M-60 tanks were being dropped for fish habitat.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Yes, and no.

You're right: That deep (as opposed to putting it in 150 feet (still a navigation hazard?) will prevent access.

The "armor plate" IS the design, the steel and plates and torpedo bulkheads and double hulls and armored flight deck/sub-decks and magazine loactions and their elevators. But mainly the "void spaces" that aren't really voids ....

[RinaseaofDs]

It was a golden opportunity to test damage models to see if it jibes with reality. AC's are big boys, and my guess is they did this up so the naval architects and engineers could learn something from a 'modern' AC getting torpedoed and sunk.

[fish hawk]

Wouldn't that be a good job for all those illegals coming across the border and doing the work no one else wants to do, and for peanuts too.

[Oztrich Boy]

The ship is about 80,000 displacement tons and scrap iron is around $200 per ton (depending on the alloy and delivery location). That's only $16 million dollars.

Nit-pick: that 80,000 tons is full load and includes fuel oil, jet fuel, boiler feed water, munchies for the sailors (and approx 400 tons of sailors), aircraft, and stuff that goes boom.

Actual steel, probably south of 50,000 tons

[RSmithOpt]

Rumor has it the USN is concerned with shaped charge performance against steel hulls. We currently have shaped charge warheads in the Hellfire and the M1 Abrams rounds. The Navy has some very sophisticated guidance systems for torpedoes and ship to ship missiles. Increasing the effectiveness of warheads without increasing size is a worthy goal.

[xzins]

That is a really neat picture. Do you have more? Thanks.

[G.Mason]

You have a point. Of course I was being sarcastic.

I've have gotten down to 190' shooting grouper. They are big and you have to be quick, and a little crazy! ;)

[Professional Engineer]

ping

[Paul_Denton]

There is a reason that the US is the only country that has been able to produce modern Carriers in numbers that cant be matched by other nations.

Yes. The country(s) that are second best in carriers is a very distant second. France's carrier does not even work. Russia cannot afford it. We need to keep it that way.

[COBOL2Java]

That is a really neat picture. Do you have more? Thanks. Take a look here:

http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/03bump/welcome.html

Here's another one:

[Righty_McRight]

I think 6000ft of water is pretty damn good protection.

Not to mention the US Navy's squad of giant attack squid.

[Tallguy]

If the Chicom agents actually get a woody from going over a 32 year old American ship-do we really care?

For the same reason they purchase the rusting hulk of a Soviet Aircraft carrier -- to learn the design principles. There are a lot of tradeoffs in designing such a complex ship. The USN has the longest experience and the PLAN commanders would assume that we have long since optimized the design of large Carriers.

[Thinkin' Gal]

The Navy sent the retired USS America aircraft carrier to its final resting place at the bottom of the sea Saturday, in a closely guarded series of explosions that the Navy didn't announce until days later.

!!! It is finished. Saturday was May 14th, which was also ALSO Iyar 5 (Israel's actual Hebrew Independence Day date, only that it was moved forward this year due to Shabbat).

Dolan said the America went down May 14, finally flooded after the series of explosions over 25 days. No announcement was made at the time.

 

1617 to 2005...

To: Jeremiah Jr; Floyd R Turbo; Quix; Lijahsbubbe; bearsgirl90; sauropod; hellinahandcart; 2sheep; ...

A: Everything really came together at Kingsmill. That's where we really got started on understanding these early sites. We learned to recognize what I call the "signs of the wooden ages."

Everything back then was built of wood - and it turned into dirt pretty quickly. But there are contrasts in the dirt, and we learned to shave it down so those contrasts could be seen and then analyzed for patterns. Then we began to recognize the differences between things like fence posts, postholes and palisade walls. That turned out to be the key at Jamestown - being able to tell the difference between a wooden palisade trench and a garden trench. And by the time we got to Harbour View, it was obvious that we had gone back as far as we could without finding the beginning. The only place to find that was at Jamestown.

Q: What made you start digging? A: The fort was the icon, the Holy Grail.

You can't make this stuff up.

May 14th, now there's an interesting date in history.

Ezekiel 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick* of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick* of Judah, and make them one stick*, and they shall be one in mine hand.
Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

* 06086 `ets {ates}
from 06095; TWOT - 1670a; n m

AV - tree 162, wood 107, timber 23, stick 14, gallows 8, staff 4,
stock 4, carpenter + 02796 2, branches 1, helve 1, planks 1,
stalks 1; 328

1) tree, wood, timber, stock, plank, stalk, stick, gallows
1a) tree, trees
1b) wood, pieces of wood, gallows, firewood, cedar-wood, woody flax

Q: Nearly 10 years later, you're still excited by the ongoing excavation. What are you looking for?

A: I'm still interested in America's beginning. I still want to find the start. The greatest excitement comes from finding something that was lost - that was a hopeless case - and there are still a lot more beginnings here to find.

"Signs of the wooden ages" indeed... where else, but Jamestown.

3 posted on 04/13/2005 5:04:49 AM EDT by Thinkin' Gal

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1382641/posts?page=3#3

2722 katecho {kat-ekh'-o}
from 2596 and 2192; TDNT - 2:829,286; v

AV - hold 3, hold fast 3, keep 2, possess 2, stay 1, take 1, have 1,
make 1, misc 5; 19

1) to hold back, detain, retain
1a) from going away
1b) to restrain, hinder (the course or progress of)
1b1) that which hinders, Antichrist from making his appearance
1b2) to check a ship's headway i.e. to hold or head the ship
1c) to hold fast, keep secure, keep firm possession of
2) to get possession of, take
2b) to possess

kat echo

[Flying Circus]

Much better to meet its fate like this than to meet its fate with hundreds of sailors on board. I love the romance of old ships as much as the next guy, but we only can have so many museums and outdated hardware in the modern battle-scape is scrap metal filled with dead bodies.

[TMSuchman]

Please remind me, but wasen't there a thread on here about this earlier. The tests were on damage control aboard the "super carriers" & what happens with torpedo and bomb damage from external sources.

[Redleg Duke]

The B-52 first flew in 1952!

[Thinkin' Gal]

ping.

[sukhoi-30mki]

Nope,no nation would want an over 60K carrier-it would just be too much of a logistical liability.Besides the carrier's age will go against it.India's current carrier & planned carriers are all under 50,000 tonnes & both Japan(& Australia) haven't had dedicated carriers for ages.On the other hand,a Tarawa class or Wasp class LPH would have been a hot attraction to many navies given their inherent versatility.