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N. Korea: Beijing loses patience with Pyongyang
New Straits Times ^ | 05/19/05 | Frank Ching

Posted on 05/19/2005 6:31:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

COMMENT: Beijing loses patience with Pyongyang

Frank Ching

May 19:


CHINA'S attitude toward North Korea appears to be hardening. At a time when there is speculation that Pyongyang may conduct a nuclear test, a Chinese source said that if North Korea insists on pursuing nuclear weapons, "I don't think China will try to block the international community from expressing their views on this".

It means Beijing will not block the United States and Japan from introducing a resolution in the United Nations Security Council critical of North Korea.

Chinese and North Korean officials have discussed the possibility that the nuclear issue could be brought before the United Nations.

North Korea has asked China to veto any resolution in the Security Council that calls for sanctions against Pyongyang, but China has refused to make such a commitment.

Instead, according to a well- placed source, the Chinese have responded that they must take the overall international environment into consideration before making a decision. In particular, the Chinese told their North Korean counterparts, they must respect the majority view in the Security Council.

China's patience has been severely tested by North Korean actions. The Chinese Government was taken aback when Pyongyang announced on Feb 10 ? the second day of the Chinese New Year ? that it would suspend participation in the six-party talks because of the Bush administration's "hostile policy", reflected in Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice's reference to the country as an "outpost of tyranny" during confirmation hearings.

Senior Chinese officials enjoying their New Year holiday were called in for urgent meetings to deal with the situation.

In the end, it was decided that President Hu Jintao would send a message to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il urging him not to abandon the talks. The message was conveyed in person by Wang Jiarui, head of the international department of the Chinese Communist Party, who arrived in Pyongyang on March 19.

Three days later, North Korea softened its position by saying that it would return to the six-party talks if the United States showed "sincerity".

According to Chinese sources, the North Koreans wanted a formal apology from the United States. However, China made it clear that this was out of the question. Instead, Chinese officials have told North Korea it should be satisfied with Secretary Rice's recent remarks that the United States recognised that North Korea was a sovereign state

Rice also said that the United States was willing to hold bilateral talks with North Korea within the six-party format, a stance that seems to have met Pyongyang's demand for bilateral talks.

The North Koreans have asked for talks with the United States on the basis of equality. This, one Chinese source explained, means that they want to talk as one nuclear power to another.

"This is daydreaming," he said. "The United States would never agree to it."

"They want to be a de facto nuclear power, like India and Pakistan," the source said, "but the United States would not live with that."

While North Korea says that it needs nuclear weapons for its own security, Chinese officials believe that even if North Korea acquires a few nuclear bombs, it will not make the country more secure but simply a target of the United States.

China provides North Korea with substantial amounts of economic aid, especially oil, to keep its economy afloat. However, Chinese sources say, the North Koreans do not express gratitude for this.

This is because North Korea sees itself and China as comrades in arms in a war against American imperialism. The North Koreans say that, being on the front lines, they are bearing the brunt of American hostility and it is China's duty to provide support for their common endeavour.

China already sees itself as the only permanent member of the Security Council that is surrounded by nuclear states, such as the United States, Russia and India. It does not want another nuclear state on its border.

Besides, if North Korea became a nuclear state, then Japan and South Korea may well develop nuclear weapons, too, with Taiwan possibly following suit.

"There will be no peace in East Asia," one Chinese source said.

As to when the six-party talks may resume, American officials have suggested that if they are not resumed by the end of next month ? when it would be a whole year since the last session ? then Washington might consider going to the United Nations.

Because of this deadline, North Korea may well reject an early resumption of the talks so as not to appear to be succumbing to American pressure. For this reason, some Chinese sources speculate that Pyongyang may decide not to talk until July at the earliest.

* Frank Ching is a Hong Kong-based writer and commentator.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 6partytalk; china; nkorea; nuclearcrisis; nuclearpower; nucleartest; securitycouncil; un

1 posted on 05/19/2005 6:31:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 05/19/2005 6:31:35 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Interesting. I still belive North Korea is China's puppet though. We will see.


3 posted on 05/19/2005 7:03:49 AM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Thanks!

By the way, you have (or will soon have) "Freepmail".

4 posted on 05/19/2005 7:08:36 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Did you see this one, today?

U.S., N. Korea in Secret New York Meet

The U.S. has confirmed a report that its special envoy for North Korea Joseph DiTrani secretly visited Pyongyang’s UN delegation in New York with assurances that his government recognizes North Korea under Kim Jong-il as a sovereign state and has no intention to attack it. The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo released a statement immediately the report appeared in Japan’s Asahi Shimbun daily on Thursday confirming that working-level contacts took place between the U.S. and North Korea in New York on May 13. The embassy said the channel was used to convey messages about U.S. policy, not to negotiate. It was the first time in six months officials for the two countries are confirmed to have talked. The Asahi Shimbun said DiTrani and the State Department's Korea chief Jim Foster visited the North Korean UN delegation and spoke with Ambassador Pak Gil-yon and Deputy Ambassador Han Song-ryol. During the talks, DiTrani stressed that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had said several times North Korea was a sovereign state. DiTrani otherwise said nothing new, urging North Korea to return to six-party nuclear talks and abandon its nuclear weapons program and adding U.S. President George W. Bush had no intention of attacking or invading the reclusive country. DiTrani told the diplomats his government was prepared to talk with North Korea so as to minimize Pyongyang's concerns about the security guarantees it has been demanding, but reiterated that bilateral talks would have to happen within the six-party framework. He added normalization of ties between the two countries was predicated on a resolution of American concerns such as missile exports, human rights and counterfeiting. The significance of the otherwise unremarkable exchange, according to the Asahi Shimbun, lay in the fact that it was the first time the U.S. has acknowledged the sovereignty of the Kim Jong-il regime to its face. It added this raised hopes that normal relations were possible between Washington and a country it has labeled an "outpost of tyranny." The paper said hardliners in the U.S. administration were unhappy with the secret meeting, saying it could be seen as "bowing to threats". But others say an expression of sincerity from Washington could bind Pyongyang more closely into the network of nations involved in the six-party talks. (englishnews@chosun.com )

5 posted on 05/19/2005 7:24:32 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Poor Frank Ching.

Anyhow, what a silly article. The content in no way matches the title.

China is so mad they might let other countries express how they feel about N. Korea!! Heavens will the clampdown never cease? Gosh, they won't block a resolution at the UN. The horrors. How can N. Korea stand all that pressure?

6 posted on 05/19/2005 7:26:14 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It means Beijing will not block the United States and Japan from introducing a resolution in the United Nations Security Council critical of North Korea.

The UN might express displeasure? Gasp!

Big woop.

Seeing as China supplied chemicals to North Korea that are critical to nuclear fuel processing, why shouldn't we regard this as mere posturing for effect?

7 posted on 05/19/2005 7:36:29 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Re #5

Yeah, I posted a similar article.

8 posted on 05/19/2005 7:53:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I've been waiting for the Korean peninsula to blow up since I was there in 1974.
Hard working son of a guns to be sure. But a little paranoid about the North.
Just as the North is certain the South is going to invade at any second for the last 50 years.
For 31 years I've sort of hoped they just get it on and get it over with.
Now the North Crazies have nukes. That delay thing sure was a good idea.


9 posted on 05/19/2005 8:50:41 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Joe Boucher
Re #9

N. Korea has refused to give up and pushed the envelope to the point nobody has been able to. Too much pressure has been bottled inside the place called N. Korea. We may be able to avoid a major shooting war, but not without a heart-stopping moment or two.

10 posted on 05/19/2005 9:02:52 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

(Chinese sources speculate that Pyongyang may decide not to talk until July at the earliest.)

What exactly do we expecting from "talks" from people used to breaking their word?


11 posted on 05/19/2005 10:20:43 AM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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To: Paul_Denton
I still belive North Korea is China's puppet though. You would be right.

Ask yourself this, how is it that Kim Jung Il, who is toasted in Bejing regularly, believes the following:

North Korea sees itself and China as comrades in arms in a war against American imperialism. The North Koreans say that, being on the front lines, they are bearing the brunt of American hostility and it is China's duty to provide support for their common endeavour.

This regime is one of the most paranoid and despotic imaginable. He finds common cause in Red China which has a habit of invading many of its surrounding neighbors Tibet (now subjugated), Xinjiang (subjugated), India (annexing Aksai Chin region of Kashmir), Russia over islands in the Amur and Ussuri Rivers, the Paracels seized from South Vietnam, and then Vietnam over Cambodian control, declaring their territory the Paracel & Spratley Islands chains, occupation of Mischief Reef in the Phillipines... etc.... Why should he trust them particularly? Who has continuously propped up this regime economically in the last decades, and lest we forget, saved his dad's bacon back in the 50's...at the expense of over a million Chinese lives...and who gave them the W-88 warhead design (stolen by Chinese agents in Los Alamos), which the North Koreans then transferred via AG Khan to Pakistan, Libya, Iran and just maybe, Iraq (Saddam's departure from the scene preventing another member of the Club)? Who has threatened to repeatedly "block" the Western powers from effectively restraining North Korean nuclear ambitions?

The answer is reliably China. So he does.

North Korea is China's sock-puppet.

12 posted on 05/19/2005 10:52:04 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Albert Einstein: “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.”)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Can't believe the folks that live there haven't risen up and destroyed the govt. and all its workings.
And yes I do understand that only the govt. people have weapons.
I also feel the same way about Cuba.


13 posted on 05/19/2005 2:35:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Paul_Denton

It's in Beijing's interest to sow disinfo that the DPRK are a pure rogue state. "Hey, that's not MY pit bull.... never seen him before!" [fingers crossed behind back....]


14 posted on 05/19/2005 5:50:44 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Carry_Okie

Logistics missions between the Khan operation in Pakistan and the DPRK always seemed to stop off in the PRC.


15 posted on 05/19/2005 5:51:56 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: GOP_1900AD
IMHO, "talking" with the Chinese, Koreans, or Vietnamese has proven to be (for us) a fruitless exercise. For all their supposed "sophistication" they seem only to respond to force or profit.
16 posted on 05/19/2005 6:20:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

OH OH look like Chia Pet is pushing China wayyyyy too far


17 posted on 05/19/2005 7:44:22 PM PDT by SevenofNine (Not everybody in, it for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: Paul Ross

well said


18 posted on 05/20/2005 2:29:28 PM PDT by OahuBreeze
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