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(Cardinal)Keeler to Boycott Loyola Graduation (objects to speaker Giuliani on abortion)
Baltimore Sun ^ | May 19, 2005 | William Wan

Posted on 05/19/2005 6:03:54 AM PDT by icwhatudo

Cardinal William H. Keeler told Loyola College of Maryland yesterday that he will not attend its commencement ceremony tomorrow because he disagrees with the keynote speaker, former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, who supports abortion rights.

The decision comes amid planned protests, led in part by a conservative Catholic group, outside tomorrow's ceremony at the 1st Mariner Arena in downtown Baltimore.

Loyola's interim president, David Haddad, received a strongly worded letter from the cardinal yesterday, saying Keeler would not attend - nor would any auxiliary bishops or any other representative of the archdiocese, college and archdiocese officials said.

"He just feels it's not appropriate given Giuliani's stance on abortion," archdiocese spokesman Sean Caine said. "I don't recall there being similar circumstances where the cardinal's had to make this decision."

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; cardinal; giuliani; loyola
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More evidence things are a changing? Wake me when Mikulski FINALLY gets denied communion.
1 posted on 05/19/2005 6:03:55 AM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: icwhatudo

Mod please delete-duplicate.

(Yes I did do a search-ugh)


2 posted on 05/19/2005 6:06:02 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: icwhatudo
I like this. I like this allot.
3 posted on 05/19/2005 6:06:40 AM PDT by Mulch (tm)
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To: icwhatudo
It is? I can not find the other thread either.

In any event, I am pleasantly surprised than Cardinal Keeler will stand up for Church principles and not fall into the celebrity trap.

FReegards,
Reb
MBA, Loyola, 1999
4 posted on 05/19/2005 6:11:30 AM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: icwhatudo

Why because of his stance on abortion? Giuliani supports the war in Iraq, which the Vatican does not.


5 posted on 05/19/2005 6:12:34 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13

Are you equating abortion with the war in Iraq?????


6 posted on 05/19/2005 6:21:35 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: RebelBanker

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1406132/posts?page=124

Not sure what I did wrong, I searched under Cardinal, Loyola, Keeler and got no hits-found it by luck.


7 posted on 05/19/2005 6:22:55 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: icwhatudo

Good, I am pro life before anything else. Being Catholic means following the faith not a party.


8 posted on 05/19/2005 6:24:33 AM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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Why because of his stance on abortion?

You know very well why.

Giuliani supports the war in Iraq, which the Vatican does not.

The Pope has specifically stated that he supports the continued presence of US troops in Iraq.

Pay attention.

9 posted on 05/19/2005 6:25:40 AM PDT by wideawake (q)
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To: conserv13

The Vatican "doesn't like" war, "doesn't like" capital punishment, as a rule, but admits that under certain circumstances each may be necessary. But it CONDEMNS as NEVER necessary, NEVER permissable, abortion, euthanasia, etc.


10 posted on 05/19/2005 6:27:02 AM PDT by Mach9 (.)
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To: wideawake

It was bandied around by the MSM that the Pope was "against" the war, but I don't believe he ever said that definitively. I believe it was more a statement of war as a LAST resort.


11 posted on 05/19/2005 6:32:15 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: icwhatudo

The AP wire story has a completely different title, which does not contain any of the words that I searched for - guess the same thing happened to you. Oh, well... Fertilizer occurs ;-)


12 posted on 05/19/2005 6:34:36 AM PDT by RebelBanker (To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!)
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To: conserv13
Why because of his stance on abortion? Giuliani supports the war in Iraq, which the Vatican does not.

One would think his multiple divorces alone would be enough to keep him off the speakers list.

13 posted on 05/19/2005 6:39:58 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: icwhatudo

Sounds fair to me!


14 posted on 05/19/2005 6:45:36 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: Jackson57
It was bandied around by the MSM that the Pope was "against" the war, but I don't believe he ever said that definitively. I believe it was more a statement of war as a LAST resort.

The Pope spoke out against the war in the days leading up to it and after the start of the war itself. He didn't hedge at all.

15 posted on 05/19/2005 6:47:53 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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But it CONDEMNS as NEVER necessary, NEVER permissable, abortion

That would be direct abortion.

16 posted on 05/19/2005 6:56:51 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Non-Sequitur
Peace is a fundamental right of every man and woman, which should be continuously promoted taking into account that "insofar as men are sinners, the threat of war hangs over them and will so continue until the coming of Christ" (Gaudium et spes, n. 78). At times this duty, as recent experience has also shown, involves concrete initiatives to disarm the aggressor. Here I wish to refer to the so-called "humanitarian interference", which, after the failure of efforts by politics and the instruments of non-violent defence, is a last resort in order to stay the hand of the unjust aggressor.

"As the Charter of the United Nations Organization and international law itself remind us, war cannot be decided upon, even when it is a matter of ensuring the common good, except as the very last option and in accordance with very strict conditions, without ignoring the consequences for the civilian population both during and after the military operations."

But when Aziz assured the pope about Iraq's intention to cooperate with the international community, the pontiff urged Iraq "to respect faithfully, with concrete commitments, the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council, which guarantees internationally legality," the statement said.

17 posted on 05/19/2005 7:11:25 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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"The pope has insisted that Iraq comply with U.N resolutions (but) has been outspoken against the possibility of war if Iraq fails to comply." - from your CNN article.
18 posted on 05/19/2005 7:17:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Jackson57
It was bandied around by the MSM that the Pope was "against" the war, but I don't believe he ever said that definitively. I believe it was more a statement of war as a LAST resort.

According to the CCC it was President George W. Bush's (and the U.S. Congress which gave him the support) moral responsibility to determine if a war was just or not with regards to protecting the USA. W and the Congress saw Afghanistan and Iraq as threats to not only the United States but also civilization itself.

CCC 2309

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
- there must be serious prospects of success;
- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.
These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.

i.e. the U.S. Government in regards to protecting the USA.

19 posted on 05/19/2005 7:26:00 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Non-Sequitur
The Pontiff also said, repeatedly, that war should be a last resort, from multiple sources.
20 posted on 05/19/2005 7:26:56 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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