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ACLU asks jail for Tangipahoa(Louisiana) school officials
2theadvocate.com ^ | 05/18/05 | ADAM NOSSITER

Posted on 05/18/2005 4:53:35 PM PDT by Ellesu

Teachers and administrators in Tangipahoa Parish continue to violate a court-imposed school prayer ban, according to the ACLU, which Wednesday asked a federal judge to send them to jail. For the fourth time in less than two months, the ACLU has formally notified the judge that school officials are flouting the prayer ban, imposed to settle a lawsuit the civil liberties group filed for a parent in 2003.

This time, the group says, an elementary school teacher in Tangipahoa Parish repeatedly held prayers in her fourth grade class, encouraged students to bring their Bibles to school, held Bible study classes in the cafeteria of D.C. Reeves Elementary School and admonished students who didn't show up for the class.

In addition, the ACLU cites a prayer it says was recently given at Amite High School, over a loudspeaker, at an awards banquet. The prayer ended with the words "In Jesus' name we pray," violating the ban; the principal of the school sat silently by.

Wednesday's filing is the latest skirmish in a decade-long battle between the ACLU here and school authorities in the rural parish north of Lake Pontchartrain over the place of religion in the classroom. The group contends parish school officials systematically flout the Constitution's Establishment Clause forbidding the mixing of government and religion.

Court decisions have repeatedly favored the civil liberties group, including the two latest ones -- a 2004 prayer ban in the schools and a February decision by U.S. District Judge Ginger Berrigan banning prayer before school board meetings. The school board Tuesday night pressed on with its appeal of that decision, announcing the addition of a national Christian-oriented legal group to its team, the Alliance Defense Fund.

At the same time it warned school employees against flouting the court prayer ban. That warning preceded by hours, however, the ACLU's latest contention that some in Tangipahoa continue to ignore the court's orders.

"The consent judgment is repeatedly violated by these individuals because they do not believe anything will happen to them," the ACLU said in its Wednesday court filing. "Their refusal to comply with the consent decree should and must result in their removal from society."

Under the agreement, no "invocations by students to the student body over the school's public address system, during assemblies or at any school sponsored event" are allowed.

A lawyer for the school board said the latest allegations would be "thoroughly investigated" and "disciplinary actions" would be taken if they hold up.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: aclu; aclulist; aclumorons; donutwatch; firstamendment; firvolouslawsuit; govwatcg; govwatch; judicaltyranny; prayer
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To: Ellesu; cjohnson7771; Tailgunner Joe; cripplecreek; PeterPrinciple; Blurblogger; eeriegeno; ...
Among ACLU's founders January 12, 1920, were William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn and Louis F. Budenz. All three later became prominent leaders of the Communist Party, USA, although Budenz broke with the Party in 1945 and became a militant anti-Communist.

In 1976, Congress passed the Civil Rights Attorneys Fee Awards Act, which was designed to encourage private lawyers to take on suits to protect civil and constitutional rights. The law provides that judges can order federal and state governments to pay legal fees to private lawyers who sued the government and won. The result has been a flood of civil rights cases in federal court. From The New American Feb. 2, 1987

It's an outrage that US law, passed during the Watergate era, allows the ACLU to collect attorney's fees for makework----Christian-hatng lawsuits it itself launches.

That means "values voters" have been footing the bill for the ACLU's launching a juggernaut to remove Ten Commandments images, Christmas creches and Christmas carols, taking God out of the Pledge of Allegiance, and because they claim they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the Pledge of Allegiance, not to see a creche of the Baby Jesus, not to hear Christmas carols. The ACLU has collected a huge amount of our tax dollars in this left-handed fundraiser for the ACLU.

FReepers can silence the ACLU with a bit of activism. We need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing Christian America. Congress must repeal laws enabling the ACLU's Christian-hating activities. Cut off the ACLU's funds and watch them disappear. Here's what we can do.

Under the aegis of the ACLU's Foundation---worth some $135 million---any number of financial travesties can be hidden. The IRS should determine whether the ACLU is properly accounting for all its tax-funded activities, whether it is inflating legal costs, and whether it is using tax dollars for the purposes stated. We need to know whether the ACLU is engaged in Enron-style accounting and spending practices.

REFERENCE SOURCE FOR ARGUING REPEAL TO CONGRESS

Apparently, when Congress contemplated the fee-shifting bill three decades ago, it never conceived that 42 U.S.C. §1988 would be used to secure fees in esoteric battles over the meaning of the establishment clause of the First Amendment.

The statute gives a court "discretion" to award attorneys' fees to the prevailing party in civil rights cases.

Study of the legislative history of the statute reveals that Congress intended this statute to apply to civil rights abuses, including certain race and sex discrimination cases, but not to arguments about whether Judge Roy Moore is allowed to display the Ten Commandments in the Alabama courthouse.

During the deliberations on the bill, the Senate penned that "in many cases arising under our civil rights laws, the citizen who must sue to enforce the law has little or no money with which to hire a lawyer."[6] In the recent First Amendment lawsuits filed by the ACLU, the tables are turned.

Small school districts and municipalities can either defend lawsuits and risk paying the ACLU's attorneys' fees if they lose, or they can voluntarily submit to the ACLU's view of the Constitution.

Even if lawsuits over the establishment clause somehow fall within 42 U.S.C. §1988, the statute empowers courts with nothing more than "discretion" to award fees.

In these cases, one would expect courts to withhold awarding fees. Since this is not happening, Congress must take immediate action to clarify 42 U.S.C. §1988 to explicitly exclude lawsuits related to the acknowledgement of God.

NOTE: In order to spread this message far and wide, you may have already received this. Sorry about that.

41 posted on 05/19/2005 2:37:30 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: Ellesu
"U.S. District Judge Ginger Berrigan banning prayer before school board meetings."

Is the ACLU going to ask the courts to put congress in jail for having their sessions begin with prayer? Amen.
42 posted on 05/19/2005 2:41:19 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: purpleland
I think that a taste of civil disobedience will and total defiance of the ACLU judgments is far past due. Amen.
43 posted on 05/19/2005 2:47:09 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Liz

Thank you for the ping! Please keep me on your list, if you would.


44 posted on 05/19/2005 3:43:01 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: loboinok

Will do.


45 posted on 05/19/2005 4:12:45 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: Exton1

I live in Tangipahoa Parish. My son attended Loranger High School. The school superintendent and I served together in the National Guard. I have some obvious interest in this matter and think that it is high time that somebody stood up to the Joe Cook and the ACLU and double dog dare them to do something to them.

As I have gotten older, whenever I hear that the ACLU is opposed to (fill in the blank), I automatically take the opposite position.

The ACLU is not about civil liberties because if it were concerned about civil liberties then it would be encouraging expressions of religious freedom.

Pelican 5


46 posted on 05/19/2005 4:16:11 AM PDT by Pelican 5 (Broken glass republican. Message to Michael Schiavo from God - "Thou shalt not kill!")
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To: Liz
And they are calling the Bible illegal in Pa.

If you check the link remember to Freep the poll.

47 posted on 05/19/2005 5:03:03 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: purpleland

That's good, but if you attack their funding and counter sue them with big time lawyers with lots of resources each and every time they get crazy they will fade into the woodwork.


48 posted on 05/19/2005 5:37:39 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: longtermmemmory
If I am not mistaken one of the CLU's founders was the father of Evan Thomas of Newsweak.
49 posted on 05/19/2005 5:42:37 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: Ellesu
They had better bring in federal marshalls because I seriously doubt the Sheriff will arrest them.
50 posted on 05/19/2005 5:46:10 AM PDT by FireTrack
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To: Liz

Excellent post, and the core of how these commie rats exist. I alluded to it earlier.


51 posted on 05/19/2005 5:46:10 AM PDT by rodguy911 (Time to get rid of the UN and the ACLU)
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To: Abram; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; Bernard; BJClinton; BlackbirdSST; blackeagle; BroncosFan; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
52 posted on 05/19/2005 6:12:58 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (If you want to change government support the libertarian party www.lp.org)
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To: mlc9852
and there is nothing we can do about it. We lose.

I very respectfully disagree! This is exactly what president Bush is trying to fix with his judicial nominees. And this is why the America-hating leftists are so opposed to him.
53 posted on 05/19/2005 7:21:56 AM PDT by BJClinton (Newsweak Lied, People Died)
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To: Hacksaw; Liz; Jay777; Calpernia; Brad's Gramma

"Now, the ACLU finally has found a jail sentence they support - for praying!"

bump!


54 posted on 05/19/2005 7:41:22 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; St. Johann Tetzel; DaveTesla; mercygrace; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Jail time for those who pray and those who don't stop others from praying.

1. Cut gov't spending by 50% for a start.
2. Schools should be locally funding and locally controlled.
3. Separation of school and state.
4. The ACLU needs to be disbanded. It would wither on the vine were it not for all the money (TAX money) it steals by its constant lawsuits.

Let me know if you want on/off this pinglist.


55 posted on 05/19/2005 7:43:27 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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To: KylaStarr; Cindy; StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny; Velveeta; Dolphy; appalachian_dweller; ...
Teachers and administrators in Tangipahoa Parish continue to violate a court-imposed school prayer ban, according to the ACLU, which Wednesday asked a federal judge to send them to jail. For the fourth time in less than two months, the ACLU has formally notified the judge that school officials are flouting the prayer ban, imposed to settle a lawsuit the civil liberties group filed for a parent in 2003.

WHAT??!!

56 posted on 05/19/2005 7:46:34 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: BJClinton

We'll have to wait and see what happens. I personally think the Republicans will back down. I hope I am wrong.


57 posted on 05/19/2005 7:47:36 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Ellesu

"Their refusal to comply with the consent decree should and must result in their removal from society."

What country are we living in??? Have we been secretly transported to the old USSR and not know it???


58 posted on 05/19/2005 8:17:24 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: kcvl
Liberal kooks!

That's the problem. They aren't 'kooks' and should not be underestimated. The Nazis and Bolsheviks weren't kooks either.

59 posted on 05/19/2005 8:34:10 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: Blurblogger

I'm NOT surprised, one iota. And....it's gonna get worse, sad to say.

BUT! HA! Guess what? We can all freely pray whenever and wherever we want and the ACLU can NOT stop that.....heck, I just might pray FOR the ACLU! :)


60 posted on 05/19/2005 8:37:38 AM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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