Free Korans for the American People

CNSNews.com ^ | 5/17/05 | Susan Jones

[abu afak]

An Islamic civil rights group is launching a Koran giveaway -- a campaign intended to turn a "negative incident into something more positive," it said.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations planned to hold a Tuesday morning news conference to discuss details of its campaign to offer free Korans to the American public.

CAIR said its campaign is a direct response to the controversy generated by Newsweek magazine's May 9 article claiming that U.S. interrogators at Guantanamo Bay flushed a Koran down a toilet in an effort to "rattle" detainees.

Newsweek retracted the anonymously sourced story on Monday, after first admitting that parts of it were wrong.

CAIR said its campaign, called "Explore the Koran," involves the community-sponsored distribution of Islam's revealed text to Americans nationwide.

"It is our belief that greater access to Islam's holy book will help foster a better appreciation and understanding of Islam by ordinary Americans," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad.

Last week, CAIR called on the Bush administration to launch a public probe of the Koran-flushing allegations..."

(I wonder if they have a PR version for Americans? .. otherwise ...)

[jetson]

Kill Or Rape All Nonbelievers

[EternalVigilance]

Great news, I've found that when you tear out the pages, they fit perfectly in the tray on the bottom of the bird cage.

Don't do that! First thing you know, your once-peacable birdie will be wearing a checkered table-cloth on his little head and strapping on a bomb and blowing up the cat!

[mlc9852]

http://christianparty.net/christianation.htm

[EternalVigilance]

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion. George Washington (1732 - 1799)

You should be ashamed, propagating something like that. George Washington didn't say it. It was taken from the verbiage of the Treaty of Tripoli. Interesting history considering the similiaritites with the problems faced then when compared to the problems with Muhammedans now. Politicians have changed little in 200 years.

[Americanexpat]

"It will probably be mandatory in public schools for "historical" reasons, not religious ones."

If they are the unsensitized versions it won't happen because then Islam will be exposed for what it is "The religion of Hate".

[expatguy]

Buy them and poop on them - make sure to take pictures.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

[abu afak]

You're correct..

Taking quotes OUT OF CONTEXT as he did is often misleading.

That Treaty was meant to Placate Muslims and stop the Barbary Pirates (Earlier Jihadis) by trying to make light of religous differences.

[Americanexpat]

Why does everyone want to use the Koran as toilet paper? Remember these are terrorist that want to give you something for free. they probably put something in the ink. You would be walking down the street oneday and you ***hole would drop down into your socks.

[EternalVigilance]

Ironic, ain't it...

[Ignatius J Reilly]

While that quote may be from a document and not from the mouth of the man himself I still feel it is relevant. There are many MANY other quotes by Washington and others (see especially Jefferson and Franklin.) Of course then you could come back with quotes from others to rebut and we could get into a quotation war. The exclusion clause of the constitution is good enough for me.

I will agree that we are a Christian nation in that most of us profess to be Christian. We do not however have a Christian government (theocracy.) Last time I checked you can still worship any god or gods you chose or even chose not to worship any. Although my liberal friend insist we will soon be a Christian theocracy if I keep voting for Republicans

[ottersnot]

And why bother using a valid address, shipping will still be charged by the post office. In fact make up an address.

[montag813]

I can't wait to have my dog pee on my copy, and send it back to CAIR

[montag813]

SUGGESTED USE FOR YOUR FREE KORAN...

Above: Burning the Unholy Book, Columbus OH 2004

[DoctorMichael]

Khan5:51 O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers and unjust).

4:89 They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ '(protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.

4:91 You will find others that wish to have security from you and security from their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear warrant against them.

8:60 And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allâh and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allâh shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.

9:5 Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (seeV.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât, then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:104 O you who believe! Say not (to the Messenger Peace be upon him )Râ'ina[] but say Unzurna (Do make us understand) and hear. And for the disbelievers there is a painful torment. (See Verse 4:46)2:105 Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the Scripture(Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikûn (the disbelievers in the Oneness ofAllâh, idolaters, polytheists, pagans, etc.) like that there should be sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allâh chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allâh is the Owner of Great Bounty.

17:33 And do not kill anyone which Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause. And whoever is killed (intentionally with hostility and oppression and not by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to forgive, or to take Diya (bloodmoney)]. But let him not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is helped (by the Islâmic law).

Pickthall Translation [an-Nisa' 4:89] They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

[an-Nisa' 4:91] Ye will find others who desire that they should have security from you, and security from their own folk. So often as they are returned to hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

[al-Ma'idah 5:51] O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrong doing folk.

[at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali2:191 And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

4:89 They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks (one translations says ?Christians and Jews) until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;

8:60 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[abu afak]

Ironic? Yes.. but only because many don't realize how long.
(Link has expired on this so I'm posting it in full from an old post of mine on another Forum. (Link available to that Forum on request.. but I'm not advertising for that board as there was a large Schism and many of us left)
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It Didn’t Start With bin Laden

Religiously motivated terrorism against America isn't new — in fact, it dates back hundreds of years.

By Chris Jeub

It may seem like the terrorist war against the United States is only a few weeks old, but radical Muslims’ hatred of our nation dates back centuries. In fact, it’s not the first time America has faced adversaries who were individual renegades instead of allied nations.

President Thomas Jefferson, for instance, faced threats from Islamic pirates who lived along Africa’s northern coast and daily terrorized European ships. When America won its independence, it too became a target for pirates — and Jefferson found himself forced into war.

But war against whom? Unknown pirates? African nations like Tripoli, Tunisia, Morocco and Algiers, which harbored the marauders but did not consider them citizens? Jefferson’s challenge resembles President Bush’s modern-day dilemma. Like today’s terrorists, the 19th-century pirates also were Muslims with an animosity toward Christians dating back to the Crusades.

The Muslim faith took root in northwestern Africa in the seventh century, and for generations the region served as a base for piracy — the looting and confiscation of ships as well as the murder of crew members. In the 19th century, European and American ships sailing around northern Africa paid tolls to the pirates for safe passage. This reign of terror went largely unchallenged until America took the lead — without the initial support of Europe.

War on Christianity

According to David Barton of WallBuilders, a Christian-heritage ministry in Aledo, Texas, the Barbary pirate raids stemmed more from prejudice against Christianity than from economic gain. “The numerous documents surrounding the Barbary Powers Conflict confirm that historically it always was viewed as a conflict between Christian America and Muslim nations,” Barton wrote in his 1996 book Original Intent: The Courts, the Constitution & Religion.

U.S. Capt. William Eaton, in a letter to the secretary of state in 1805, explained why the Muslims were such dedicated foes:

Taught by revelation that war with the Christians will guarantee the salvation of their souls, and finding so great secular advantages in the observance of this religious duty [the secular advantage of keeping captured cargoes], their inducements to desperate fighting are very powerful.

Indeed, the countries whose ships were attacked — England, France, Spain, Denmark and the United States — all were predominately Christian. Nonetheless, Barton said, the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli declared the United States’ religious neutrality, “in an attempt to prevent further escalation of a ‘Holy War’ between Christians and Muslims.” Article XI of the treaty states that “the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion . . . it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of [Muslims].”

But the 1797 treaty failed, as did others. The Muslims, motivated by religious fervor, continued their attacks.

In 1815, the U.S. government sent a war hero, Stephen Decatur, to negotiate a more forceful treaty. Decatur had demonstrated his ability to thwart Barbary pirates a dozen years earlier; In 1804, on Jefferson’s orders, he led 74 volunteers into the Tripoli harbor and burned the captured American frigate Philadelphia. British Adm. Lord Nelson called the raid “the most daring act of the age.”

In the War of 1812, Decatur, the youngest captain in U.S. Navy history, defeated the British frigate Macedonian and brought the enemy vessel safely to the United States. It was the only captured British ship to be refitted and commissioned in the American Navy during that war.

Perhaps it was his reputation for victory that persuaded Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli to agree to Decatur’s terms and put an end to piracy. Perhaps it was his charm. John Quincy Adams described Decatur as “kind, warm-hearted, unassuming, gentle and hospitable, beloved in social life and with a soul totally and utterly devoted to his country.” Or maybe it was America’s naval power that outmatched Tripoli’s.

Whatever the cure, then, we can only pray that today’s war will rid the world of terrorism as America rid the world of piracy 200 years ago. "

[Michael Goldsberry]

Welcome to the club.

[4.1O dana super trac pak]

It's 'Quran' damnit, CNS must die!!!!

[humblegunner]

Welcome to the club.

See my profile page! ;-)

[Nascar Dad]

Given the opportunity, I would piss on the Koran, before I kicked it down the sewer where it belongs.

[SJackson]

You're correct..Taking quotes OUT OF CONTEXT as he did is often misleading....That Treaty was meant to Placate Muslims and stop the Barbary Pirates (Earlier Jihadis) by trying to make light of religous differences.

The "verbiage" of the Treaty of Tripoli, a treaty of "peace and friendship", was defined definitively by US Marines (still going on in that region) less than a decade later, so who cares. And I've read the "text" was mangled anyway. The Christian nation thing, you have to define terms. The arguement is a strawman, clearly our heritage is Christian, but we're not one of the 30 or so Christian nations with official religions.

I love my asbestos tagline, but I'll repeat onen of my old ones.

Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux