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1 posted on 05/18/2005 5:30:02 AM PDT by Irontank
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To: Irontank

Bump!


2 posted on 05/18/2005 5:37:05 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: Irontank

The moment the left embraces the Catholic Church is the moment I leave it.


3 posted on 05/18/2005 5:43:14 AM PDT by OpusatFR (I live in a swamp and reuse, recycle, refurbish, grow my own, ride a bike and vote gop)
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To: Irontank
* After hearing the pope's Christmas address of 1941, the Times wrote: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas. ... In calling for a 'real new order' based on 'liberty, justice and love' ... the pope put himself squarely against Hitlerism."

* In October 1944, after the liberation of Rome, the New York Times wrote, "Under the pope's direction, the Holy See did an exemplary job of sheltering and championing the victims of the Nazi-Fascist regime."

Which NY Times to believe?

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

Albert Einstein
Time Magazine, 12/23/40

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The charity and work of Pope Pius XII during World War II so impressed the Chief Rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, that in 1944 he was open to the grace of God which led him into the Catholic faith. As his baptismal name, he took the same one Pius had, Eugenio, as his own. Later Israel Eugenio Zolli wrote a book entitled, Why I Became a Catholic.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 5:49:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Irontank
Pat Buchanan's views on Jews in any possible aspect of either History, Politics, Religion etc. can not be regarded as an objective ones. He is "tough on Jews" to put it nicely.

If you are more interested in the facts rather then in emotional antisemitic squeal, read that

http://www.jcrelations.net/en/?id=970
It's Preliminary Report of International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission on Holocaust.
6 posted on 05/18/2005 6:38:02 AM PDT by Neocon Shavuz
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To: Irontank; ninenot; sittnick; american colleen; saradippity; Siobhan; wideawake; St.Chuck; ...

Not specifically mentioned in the Buchanan article is the priceless annotated bibliography by Inside the Vatican writer William Doino, which is a majority of the entire volume. Anything that anyone would ever want to or need to know about the entire "Pius War" will be found in Doino's impressive work.


7 posted on 05/18/2005 6:41:03 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Irontank; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


11 posted on 05/18/2005 6:56:37 AM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Irontank

More bumping...


15 posted on 05/18/2005 7:45:17 AM PDT by redhead
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To: Irontank

You know what I don't understand?

Since when throughout history had our Jewish brothers and sisters wanted us to be involved in anything that was going on in their community in the past before the holocaust? Now (not then as Jewish news would evidence, they even extolled him as righteous), all of a sudden we didn't do enough then, we tried to take babies from their parents, we actually helped the Nazis? What is wrong with this guy? I mean sure, we could have done more, lots of people could have and many did nothing.

He easily forgets the religious that died there also (Though it could never compare), The Vatican and religious houses who hid many. When you say that, you're told...'They could have done more'. This is truly amazing to me. There is a long, painful and sordid history to be sure...but, and because of that, when did we become the best friend and protector of our Jewish Brothers and Sisters all of a sudden in their eyes (which we were then, by the way)? Since when did they want Catholics involved in any of their affairs?

This guy is a disgrace to his ancestors. I'm sure any holocaust survivor would tell him a different story.

I am a Catholic. I volunteer at the Jewish Nursing Home, work with Jewish Organizations on social and legal issues, work as an Disabilities advocate for children with children with a specialty in Asperger's syndrome Autism at Synagogue Schools and Impartial hearings to make sure the children get all the services they need. These are my elder brothers and sisters...without them spiritually and otherwise, there is no me. I have talked with many survivors and their children and have never once have I heard anything negative.

I'm going to email him with a history lesson, wait for his reply and then I will proceed to shut him down. Enough rhetoric already.

Is it me? Someone clue me in on this.


24 posted on 05/18/2005 9:29:09 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: Irontank
[ Leave it to the New York Times. On the eve of Pentecost, the birthday of the church ]

If Pat means the Roman Catholic Church(RCC) then ALL protestant "churchs" are renegade cults.. and not "churches" at all.. WONDER where Pat got that idea.. Hes not dumb.. He must have got that idea from somewhere.. Where.?.

However if he means "THE Church" of which the RCC is only one of.. then other churchs are not "dissed".. by him at this time.. I'm not sure he means THAT though..

What thinkest thou.?. Be careful its a hot issue.. better yet don't answer it..

31 posted on 05/18/2005 10:22:33 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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