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Fox haunted by comment about blacks
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | May 17, 2005

Posted on 05/17/2005 4:48:54 AM PDT by tuffydoodle

Fox haunted by comment about blacks

MARK STEVENSON

Associated Press

MEXICO CITY - After a scolding from north of the border, President Vicente Fox said he regretted any hurt feelings over a comment he made about blacks in the United States. But many Mexicans insist Americans overreacted.

In a speech Friday, Fox praised the dedication of Mexicans working in the United States, saying they're willing to take jobs that "even blacks" won't do.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher called the remark "very insensitive and inappropriate" and said the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City had raised the issue with the Mexican government.

African American leaders, including the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, called on Fox to apologize.

At first the Mexican president refused, saying his remark had been misinterpreted. But on Monday, after a weekend of mounting criticism, he seemed eager to make amends.

In telephone conversations with Jackson and Sharpton, Fox said he "regretted any hurt feelings" and has great respect "for the African-American community in the United States," according to a statement from his administration.

He also invited the two leaders to Mexico for talks aimed at improving the sometimes tense relationship between blacks and Hispanics in the United States.

No date was set, but the president's office said the visit would be as soon as possible.

Still, many of Fox's countrymen, including the leader of his own party, said the United States had overreacted. They suggested the dispute was a case of overzealous political correctness.

"This is an exaggeration," said Manuel Espino, leader of the conservative National Action Party. "There have been a lot harsher comments that come from north of the border, and we don't scream and shout about it."

Mexicans are frequently themselves the victims of discrimination in the United States and are still smarting over the U.S. crackdown on illegal immigrants, including a border wall in California and limits on drivers' licenses for undocumented migrants.

The fact is many Mexicans didn't see the remark as offensive. Blackface comedy, while demeaning to many Americans, is still considered funny here and many people hand out nicknames based on skin color.

Even Cardinal Norberto Rivera Carrera, the archbishop of Mexico City, criticized U.S. immigration policy as ridiculous and defended Fox's comments, saying: "The declaration had nothing to do with racism. It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

In his phone calls, "the president stressed that the African-American community had led a series of movements against discrimination and in favor of the civil and human rights of minorities," the statement said. Fox "recognized that those movements also benefited Hispanics and Mexicans in the United States."

Jackson said he was sure the president had no racist intent, according to presidential spokesman Ruben Aguilar. Earlier Jackson had called Fox's comment "inciting and divisive."

Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez said the Mexican government was expected to send a diplomatic letter to the United States on Monday protesting laws requiring driver's license applicants to prove they are in the country legally, and the construction of a border barrier wall.

Derbez also criticized U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza, who has angered the Mexican government in part by warning tourists about ongoing violence here.

"What we have to make clear is that it would be best if (Garza's) opinions, which I understand are his own and not those of his government, are not expressed in a public manner," Derbez said.

While Mexico has a few, isolated black communities, the population is dominated by descendants of Mexico's Spanish colonizers and its native Indians. Comments that would generally be considered openly racist in the United States generate little attention here.


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This is starting to get kinda comical.
1 posted on 05/17/2005 4:48:54 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: tuffydoodle
Fox haunted by comment about blacks

The hell he is

2 posted on 05/17/2005 4:50:11 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: tuffydoodle

Haunted or hunted?


3 posted on 05/17/2005 4:51:15 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: tuffydoodle

Haunted my foot. Not only did he manage to insult black people but he insulted his own people too.


4 posted on 05/17/2005 4:51:51 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: tuffydoodle

"It is a reality in the United States that anyone can prove."

He has to realize that racial politics and sensitivity are not about reality, facts or genuine justice.

Racial politics are about money and power.

Fox stepped in it. He needs to get away from the tar-baby. ;-)


5 posted on 05/17/2005 4:55:04 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: tuffydoodle

In much of Latin America there's a strong presumption of skin color denoting class status.


6 posted on 05/17/2005 4:55:45 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: cyborg

Haunted my foot. Not only did he manage to insult black people but he insulted his own people too.


"He also invited the two leaders to Mexico for talks aimed at improving the sometimes tense relationship between blacks and Hispanics in the United States."



He'll "pay a price", never fear


7 posted on 05/17/2005 4:56:05 AM PDT by WKB (You can half the good and double the bad people say about themselves.)
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To: tuffydoodle

What? There are no blacks in Mexico?


8 posted on 05/17/2005 4:57:03 AM PDT by Conservative Infidel (Only thing harder to find in US Senate these days than a Dem w/ a conscience is a Rep w/ a spine.)
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To: WKB

good point


9 posted on 05/17/2005 4:57:24 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: tuffydoodle
And watch how many FReepers continue to agree with Fox's insulting of American citizens, nevermind the fact that he encourages his illegal immigrants to come here.

Agreeing with a criminal like Fox over their own countrymen. Funny, ain't it?


10 posted on 05/17/2005 4:58:12 AM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: tuffydoodle
Somebody held his feet to the fire for shooting his mouth off. As for Derbez, we put a friggin Ambassador in your shit hole of a country to look out for Americans. Of course all we have to do is pick up a newspaper any day of the week and pretty much figure out that you can't and won't control your bandidos.
11 posted on 05/17/2005 4:59:17 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: rdb3

I don't agree with that SOB, I think it's funny how this story has taken legs and Fox continues to look like the idiot he is.


12 posted on 05/17/2005 5:00:20 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: Conservative Infidel

Nope. No welfare there. lol


13 posted on 05/17/2005 5:01:18 AM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: tuffydoodle
I don't agree with that SOB...

That's fine. I was stunned yesterday by how many here actually agreed with Fox's insult.


14 posted on 05/17/2005 5:02:51 AM PDT by rdb3 (One may smile and smile and still be a villain.)
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To: rdb3

I prefer honesty rather than lies anyway.


15 posted on 05/17/2005 5:05:36 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: tuffydoodle; MeekOneGOP; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; B4Ranch; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; ...

 Vincente  Fox   



17 posted on 05/17/2005 5:06:24 AM PDT by devolve (My WWII Tribute: http://pro.lookingat.us/WWII.html - more traffic than DU-Koz-LDot)
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To: Tarheel1

BS! Market forces nothing. You'd see real market forces happening by the wages of those jobs 'that no one wants ' being increased if illegals weren't flooding into this country scrubbing toilets and old ladies for $5 an hour. You have NO idea what the hell you're talking about.


18 posted on 05/17/2005 5:08:34 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Haunted my foot. Not only did he manage to insult black people but he insulted his own people too.

His people are the elites, not the non-elites that he dumps on the United States.

19 posted on 05/17/2005 5:09:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: rdb3
rdb --

Those failed to realize the prejudice inherent in Fox's remarks --

If he had stated that Mexicans will honorably take manual labor jobs 'most Americans refuse' then he mighta been OK. But instead he chose to paint black Americans with a broad ugly brush -- that "even Blacks won't ..." implying that 'even the lowest of Americans won't'. Clearly his remarks were racist and prejudiced.

Imagine if he had been talking about financing options for used Dodge van financing and had stated that 'Mexicans will take car financing that even Jews won't offer.' Would folks find their outrage? hmmm.

Hang in there. There's still learning to take place on FR.
20 posted on 05/17/2005 5:10:51 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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