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To: hugoball
The New Left agrees with the old Marxists that the US isn't really a democracy, or free society, or anything we claim it is. They believe that anything short of a radical egalitarian state is a failure of "true" democracy. Therefore, what we are offering Iraq is slavery disguised as a free society. This, whole analysis is, of course, insane, but that is what they pretend to believe (they don't really believe it, it just makes them feel smart).

Well history is theoretically on their side on that one. No democracy in history has ever pulled itself out of a downward spiral. Once the ideal of radical egality is mentioned it cannot be expunged from the collective psyche. Even so called conservatives use socialist rhetoric these days, if for no other reason that they have no choice; for once democracy was accepted as the common currency of our political debate it is unavoidable. To achieve power you must say things that will appeal to the masses (hence the “if your not with us” line, which has never really been backed up and was merely an attempt to appease the masses).

Democracies all die, either from outside conquest or internal, but it is a forgone conclusion, thats why the founding fathers did everything they could to limit democracy here in the states. For they knew that democracy is no friend of liberty, and will likely lead to expropriation (socialism).

The problem with the, poorly named, liberals is they believe that because socialism is a natural result of the egality, which is inherent in the very idea of democracy, it is thus good. A dictatorship of the proletariat (assuming that they are the majority) is as true a democracy as you can get. Our society is free precisely because it doesn't give into the philosophy that democracy can only be just in a radically egalitarian system. But egality is still the idol of the democratic ideal, it's even paradoxically on the FR seal on the main page next to the mutually exclusive principal of liberty.

299 posted on 05/17/2005 3:24:30 PM PDT by Pelayo ("If there is hope... it lies in the quixotics." - Me)
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To: Pelayo
The problem with the, poorly named, liberals is they believe that because socialism is a natural result of the egality, which is inherent in the very idea of democracy, it is thus good.

It is not only good, it is the correct state of Creation. However, Creation is fallen and this state can not be achieved until it is restored.

Shalom.

333 posted on 05/18/2005 7:52:27 AM PDT by ArGee (Why do we let the abnormal tell us what's normal?)
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