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Mexican president criticized for racial remark
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | May 15, 2005

Posted on 05/15/2005 6:22:42 AM PDT by tuffydoodle

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To: tuffydoodle

No that would be admitting one was wrong. There's a problem with admitting one's failure in this morally relative time we're in.


21 posted on 05/15/2005 7:00:19 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: tuffydoodle

You're obviously not Jane Fonda or Vicente Fox.


22 posted on 05/15/2005 7:00:27 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: Mamzelle

In favor of whom?

It's not like the GOP or Bush is against Illegal Immigration.


23 posted on 05/15/2005 7:00:42 AM PDT by Guillermo (Bush is no conservative. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me that he is)
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To: cyborg

But being politically incorrect is still considered wrong by liberals.


24 posted on 05/15/2005 7:01:52 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: KittyKares

good point :-)


25 posted on 05/15/2005 7:02:21 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Yep. Maverick is a Paddy, as is Vicente. As was Ernesto Guevara-LYNCH, as was Guillermo Browne (founder of the Argentine Navy)...


26 posted on 05/15/2005 7:02:38 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: tuffydoodle

"There's no doubt that the Mexican men...are doing the work that not even blacks want to do...Like President of Mexico."


27 posted on 05/15/2005 7:03:24 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: Clemenza

REALLY??? I didn't know that about Che. I hated sitting in the movie theater with all the Che lovers but Motorcycle Diaries was good.


28 posted on 05/15/2005 7:05:07 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: tuffydoodle
Let us leave out the apology and rewrite Mr. Fox's observation:

"Illegal Mexican aliens are willing to do the jobs that poor American welfare recipients refuse to do, because it is much easier for those American welfare recipients to sit on their backsides and collect welfare payments, housing assistance, food stamps, Medicaid, and other benefits than it is for them to work for a living."

29 posted on 05/15/2005 7:05:39 AM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that couldn't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition)
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To: Clemenza

I just figured out why I didn't come up with the story when I did a search: I spelled Vicente wrong! I searched with "Vincente". duhhhhhh


30 posted on 05/15/2005 7:06:22 AM PDT by tuffydoodle
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To: cyborg

Che was of Irish ancestry on both sides of his family, although his father's surname was Basque.


31 posted on 05/15/2005 7:06:27 AM PDT by Clemenza (Senator, my offer to you is this: NOTHING!)
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To: tuffydoodle
I like what one poster wrote on another thread:

...how about your people stay in Mexico and make a contribution to your country? We have enough LEGAL immigrants making contributions here, evidently Mexico needs your illegals more than we do...

32 posted on 05/15/2005 7:10:38 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: tuffydoodle

I'm confused as to why anybody would think Fox's statements, which are intuitively based upon a racial condition, would than make a derogatory statement against racism.

People of a different race, migrate here for jobs. OK. That intuitively speaks about a racial condition. Racist?,..so what,...that's the idea,...it's a racial situation being discussed.

Secondly, they are taking jobs that even blacks don't want!

Jesse Jackson then complains.

Well, which way does Jesse want to frame his worldview? Jesse Jackson has always argued that the 'black man' has been kept back because of his race.

So now another politician, speaking of conditions effecting people of his race, with respect to people of another race, in a foreign country described as a melting pot of races, yet which politically promotes an everlasting diversity of race, and is not criticised as being a 'racist'!

So what! The whole issue is based upon race. The issue is another race coming into this country and performing the least desirable work.

FWIW, I firmly believe Hispanics are exposed to far more racial prejudice than blacks with unjust consequence. Where's the outrage at Jesse calling other races, 'racist'?


33 posted on 05/15/2005 7:19:03 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Mamzelle
That's true but if we are not careful the hitlery beast may start siphoning off our rinos to her side.
34 posted on 05/15/2005 7:27:41 AM PDT by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Cvengr
Racist?,..so what,...that's the idea,...it's a racial situation being discussed.

"Racist" and "racial" are not synonymous. Fox made a racist remark because he made a disparaging assumption based on race - namely, that if you're black, you have such low self-respect that you'll take any stinky old job that someone will wave in front of you.

35 posted on 05/15/2005 7:32:40 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: thoughtomator; tuffydoodle

This was a "gaffe", a politician accidentaly telling a bit of the truth in public. Always a great embarassment to the perpetrator to be sure, but also quite amusing.

Another way of saying the same thing is that the Mexican government and business community have done such a crappy job of growing the Mexican economy that Mexico's desperate citizens are fleeing north, willing to accept even the most menial jobs on offer, at bottom-of-the-barrel wages that are so low that otherwise unemployable Americans know they can do better on welfare than to take such jobs (and that a disproportionate number of such 'minimally employable' Americans are blacks).

Once they get here, of course, they frequently find that they can do even better than that, if they are willing to work hard, long, and for less.


36 posted on 05/15/2005 7:35:55 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: cyborg

Apologised? Where?


37 posted on 05/15/2005 8:02:45 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo

Tongue in cheek of course :o) He apologised in Jane Fonda fashion.


38 posted on 05/15/2005 8:09:17 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Capriole

I like your rephrasing. Just think of how much money the American taxpayer would be saved if welfare, food stamps, etc., etc., for able-bodied individuals could be done away with - which, in my opinion - would solve the illegal immigration jobs-Americans-won't-do problem at the same time. It's mind-boggling. Well, ruined my day.


39 posted on 05/15/2005 8:12:39 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
This was a "gaffe", a politician accidentaly telling a bit of the truth

I liked your analysis but you missed the bit of truth about the racial divisions and overt racism entrenched in Mexican culture. In Mexico, the darker your skin the lower your status and the worse your job. This is almost absolute truth with very little exception. They have Indians in Mexico that are so dark that they are almost black. If these folks are really lucky they can get a job manicuring the lawn for a big hotel with a pair of toenail clippers. But for the most part they are relegated to begging and selling chicklets. At the other end of the spectrum, their leaders are all white Europeans who control 98% of the country's wealth.

40 posted on 05/15/2005 8:40:51 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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