Abstinence speaker pushed religion in school, dad charges (condoms cause cancer?)

Bozeman Daily Chronicle ^ | 05/11/2005 | GAIL SCHONTZLER

[k2blader]

I was looking at the link Raycpa provided in #36.

[Tax-chick]

Well, I will defer to the greater expertise of the rest of you :-).

[vetvetdoug]

I knew a redneck that put on a condom and left it on for a couple of weeks and eventually developed penile cancer, squamous cell carcinomas from urine irritations and ischemia. Not real smart. Only part of the foreskin had to be amputated. The papilloma virus was a precursor to the neoplasia. I am amazed that truth is stranger than fiction.

[k2blader]

Yep, *far* from homely.. :-)

[Raycpa]

Interesting stats. The condom stats mean that of 7 girls who rely on that method of avoiding pregnancy, 1 of them will be pregnant at the end of the first year. If the class size contains 21 sexually active girls who all rely on condoms, there will be 3 pregnancies by the end of 1 year-on average.

If the same 21 girls take the pill instead and they are sexually active for 3 years then over three years time, there will be about 5 (or about 1/4) pregnancies.

These numbers are disturbing to me. I never thought to look at the cumulative error rate potential.

Giving advise individually may be okay but to say to a large group of women that these methods will stop pregnancies is a dangerous public message.

[cyborg]

Condoms are unnatural. Humans were made to reproduce.

[keepingtrack]

Left it on for a couple of weeks?

Dare I ask how he went to the bathroom? Do I even want to know??

[Phantom Lord]

I know this guy who bought a used car. 5 years later, BAM, herpes.

[Tax-chick]

Ick!

[Dan from Michigan]

Another reason for the Sam Kinison quote.....

Sam: "Do we like to wear rubbers, guys?"
Crowd - "NO!"
Sam: - "WE HATE RUBBERS!!!!"

[k2blader]

As I argued with someone else on another thread, this is homely.. :-)

[Phantom Lord]

You sir are worse than Hitler!

[vetvetdoug]

Did the car have a large round shifter mounted on the console?

[Tax-chick]

No, that is UGLY. "Homely" is much more generous.

However, I will withdraw that adjective after seeing the second, much more flattering, set of pictures.

[moondoggie]

Well....to each his own!

My parents also taught me that sex was a natural and beautiful thing but not something reserved for "serious relationships only" unless their was an engagement ring on my finger and a promise of marriage:-)

Puppy love didn't count.

[obnogs]

Do you have any statistics to support your position?

I recall a recent study claiming that those pledging abstinence often did not follow through, and in fact took greater risks than those that did not support abstinence. "Teens who pledged to remain abstinent until marriage are more likely to engage in other types of sexual activity that increase their risk of acquiring sexually transmitted diseases, according to a new study co-authored by Columbia’s Sociology Department Chair Peter Bearman and Yale professor Hannah Bruckman."

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/03/29/424928352fe31

[nothingnew]

Abstinence-only supporters are the most self-righteous group of puritans you could ever run across. We ought to take them and the freaks "debating" evolution in Kansas and consign them to an island somewhere.

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. May God have mercy on your soul."

FMCDH(BITS)

[Machines Are Us]

Just like the parent I am not arguing with the effectiveness of abstinence...I am arguing the speakers "facts" she used.

"The effectiveness of birth control pills is debatable..."

Ok, so then you would agree that making the blanket 20% effective statement would be perhaps unwise since this information is challenged and not verified as true. Especially if you are trying to inform instead of terrify.

If it was a "can be" why wasn't this stated in the article? Perhaps the speaker wasn't so obvious. Yes, the statement as you have corrected is true. The statement made by the speaker is false.

If the speakers statements have two adults like us debating the validity of the statements, what do you think the teens that heard this speech are doing? The speaker undermined her valid point of abstinence with using shady "facts".

*back to work for me* Take care.

[Campion]

Do you have any statistics to support your position?

Lots. For example, 25% of kids today will contract an STD before they graduate from high school. There are about 5 million new cases of chlamydia every year; untreated chlamydia leads to PID, which leads to infertility.

People who abstain don't have to worry about any of that.

I recall a recent study claiming that those pledging abstinence often did not follow through

Which doesn't really have much to do with whether or not abstinence is a good idea, does it? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to condemn abstinence on the basis of folks who don't practice it, but that's what you're trying to do.

and in fact took greater risks than those that did not support abstinence.

Neither group evidently supported abstinence; one just said that it did.

[Campion]

One more thing:

Although many pledgers abstained from vaginal intercourse, the recent study found that they still participated in other forms of sex that may have exposed them to STDs.

This study really has nothing to do with abstinence. It has to do with kids who make a public "abstinence pledge" and conclude that they can't have normal intercourse but can engage in sodomy.

Guess what! [Here's a shock] Abstinence means abstinence. It does not mean "abstinence except for sodomy". You might as well talk about people trying to conquer alcoholism by drinking rubbing alcohol instead of whiskey.