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Byrd, Frist Spar Over Filibuster Changes (Frist walks out on Byrd)
AP ^ | May 13, 2005 | JESSE J. HOLLAND

Posted on 05/12/2005 9:26:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion

WASHINGTON - Irritated by Democratic chiding, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist on Thursday defended the "fairness and principle" of pressing a confrontation over judicial filibusters.

During an hourlong exchange, Senate dean Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., told Frist, "Don't leave this as your legacy." That was a reference to a Republican plan to eliminate minority Democrats' ability to block President Bush's judicial choices with just 41 votes in the 100-member Senate.

"You have a shirttail full of nominees, and you're going to wreck Senate tradition," Byrd said.

Annoyed, Frist pointed out that Byrd had promised to support holding confirmation votes.

"Didn't you also say as the other part of that statement to the president of the United States, being critical of the potential legacy I might have to leave in order to stand up for fairness and principle, didn't you also say you would give all of these nominees up-or-down votes?" asked Frist, who is expected to leave the Senate in 2006.

"I don't remember what I said," Byrd replied, "a few or all or three or four, I don't remember."

Bush has repeatedly called for yes-or-no votes requiring a simple majority of 51 on his choices to fill appeals court vacancies instead of making them first garner 60 votes.

Frist has been looking for two years at doing away with the 60-vote requirement to cut off debate in what members of both parties call "the nuclear option." Democrats have promised to retaliate by thwarting Bush's legislative agenda.

"Don't travel that path because the leader of his party may some day be executed on the same gallows," Byrd said.

Republicans have argued that the Constitution requires confirmation votes, though Frist conceded Thursday there's no language in the document that specifies that.

"But when you have a nominee that comes over, all you can do is shine the light, you examine him, unlimited debate," Frist said. "And then to give advice and consent — which is in that Constitution — how do you do it? Vote yes, no. Confirm, reject."

Byrd noted that the Senate has rejected dozens of nominees over the years by simply never voting on them. "Now to give consent, we may vote. But to deny consent doesn't require a vote," he said.

The West Virginia senator kept talking, but Frist eventually walked out of the chamber, leaving Byrd surprised. "Where's my adversary?" he asked.

The tense debate may be only a precursor of the battle next week, when Frist is expected to turn to the first of the White House's blocked nominees.

Democrats blocked 10 of Bush's first-term nominees through filibuster threats and have threatened to do the same to seven of them Bush renominated after winning re-election in November.

Frist has threatened to disallow future filibusters and force a confirmation vote on former Alabama Attorney General William Pryor, Idaho lawyer William Myers, Texas judge Priscilla Owen, California judge Janice Rogers Brown and other nominees Democrats oppose.

Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada has been offering Frist deals on less controversial nominees to try to avoid the showdown.

Reid on Thursday promised that Democrats would not block confirmation votes on Michigan nominees Richard Griffin, David McKeague and Susan Neilson to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals if Frist didn't force a showdown. He made the same offer on former Senate lawyer Thomas Griffith, who wants a seat on the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

"Do you want to confirm judges or do you want to provoke a fight?" Reid said.

Democrats have blocked the Michigan nominees' approval because of the objections of Sens. Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, who were upset because President Clinton's nominees to that court were never given a confirmation hearing by the Republican-controlled Senate.

Levin and Stabenow said they hoped that withdrawing their objection to most of Bush's Michigan nominees would help resolve the filibuster impasse.

Reid also said Democrats would likely filibuster a fourth Michigan nominee, Henry Saad. "All you need to do is have a member go upstairs and look at his confidential report from the FBI and I think you would all agree that there's a problem there," Reid told the Senate.

Reid did not say what was in the report, and he was criticized by conservatives for mentioning it. "With his unsubstantiated charges, Senator Reid unfairly and irresponsibly defames Judge Saad," said Jeffrey Mazzella, president of the Center For Individual Freedom.

The Judiciary Committee sent Pryor's nomination to the full Senate on Thursday, on a 10-8 vote, with all Republicans supporting and all Democrats opposing him.

Pryor, the former Alabama attorney general, holds a temporary seat on the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta because Bush last year circumvented the Senate and placed him on the court while lawmakers were out of town. That term expires at the end of the year.

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Senate dean Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., told Frist, "Don't leave this as your legacy."

Isn't that just so touching the way Byrd is worrying about Frist's legacy? Does he think we are all stupid?

The West Virginia senator kept talking, but Frist eventually walked out of the chamber, leaving Byrd surprised. "Where's my adversary?" he asked.

This is good, but Frist needs to do more than this, he needs to ACT and eliminate the ability to filibuster Judicial Nominees.

1 posted on 05/12/2005 9:26:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

I bet Byrd shook his fist at him.


2 posted on 05/12/2005 9:30:37 PM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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I bet Byrd shook his fist at him.

Or burned a cross on his lawn.

3 posted on 05/12/2005 9:32:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Spec.4 Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: FairOpinion

All Robert Byrd wants to do is chase Barack Obama with a noose.


4 posted on 05/12/2005 9:34:00 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: FairOpinion

The Party of the New Deal has walked out on America again and become the Party of NO Deal.

Hopefully, Voters will see them for what they are and reward them accordingly , again.


5 posted on 05/12/2005 9:34:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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"Do you want to confirm judges or do you want to provoke a fight?" Reid said. Frist had better be about chopping the democrat obstructionism off at the knees, before subpreme nominees come to the chambers for confirmation!
6 posted on 05/12/2005 9:34:29 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Frist vs. Sheets...my money is on Frist.

Wouldn't you love to see that kind of whuppin'???


7 posted on 05/12/2005 9:35:10 PM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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Byrd is old and senile, and he is exhibiting more and more the signs of dimensia and perhaps oncoming alzheimers.

"I don't remember what I said," Byrd replied, "a few or all or three or four, I don't remember."

He should retire and spend his last years with his family.

8 posted on 05/12/2005 9:35:18 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Jaysun

nope, he shook his little constitution book at him ---

You can watch it if you turn on c-span 2 right now---Reid is talking, but the showdown between Frist and Byrd is coming up soon!


9 posted on 05/12/2005 9:35:23 PM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Graybeard58
Or burned a cross on his lawn.

I'm not sure he could do that anymore because he always shakes the match out before he can get it to the cross.
10 posted on 05/12/2005 9:36:06 PM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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"Don't travel that path because the leader of his party may some day be executed on the same gallows," Byrd said.

An odd choice of words from a former member of the KKK.

Or IS he a "former" member?

11 posted on 05/12/2005 9:36:39 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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Sounds like Byrd needs a trip back to Birmingham...


12 posted on 05/12/2005 9:37:11 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: Txsleuth
nope, he shook his little constitution book at him --- You can watch it if you turn on c-span 2 right now---Reid is talking, but the showdown between Frist and Byrd is coming up soon!

I'll go watch. I was making a rather crude remark about his tendency to "shake" these days.
13 posted on 05/12/2005 9:37:22 PM PDT by Jaysun (No matter how hot she is, some man, somewhere, is tired of her sh*t)
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That exchange was priceless.

The FR live thread discussed much of it, as it was happening.

Senate Foreign Relations Committee ~ nomination of John Bolton [LIVE Thread]

Starting around posting #1012
14 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:06 PM PDT by TomGuy
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From what I understand, this thing called a filibuster is nothing more than a Senate rule. Frist could call for a change of that rule with the promise to re-instate it after these judges are voted on.

And then do so.

15 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:11 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Leftists would have no standards at all)
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"Senate dean Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., told Frist, "Don't leave this as your legacy."

Here is Sheet's legacy: http://images.quizilla.com/S/shanachie/1065743112_ktopcreepy.jpg


16 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:31 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Get back into your closets, you pinkos! We're setting the way-back machine for the fabulous fifties!)
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To: Jaysun

Reid went overboard again by pointing to an FBI file of one of the judges. That is way out of bounds and he should be rebuked for it.


17 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:34 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: FairOpinion; Jaysun; Graybeard58; LdSentinal; NormsRevenge; MHGinTN; andie74

Byrd: "C'mon, put 'em up, put 'em up. Rrrrruuuuuffff, rrrrrruuuufffff."

18 posted on 05/12/2005 9:39:35 PM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Txsleuth

"You can watch it if you turn on c-span 2 right now---Reid is talking, but the showdown between Frist and Byrd is coming up soon!"

Thanks for the heads-up.

Frist is just handing it over to Byrd -- ON NOW!


19 posted on 05/12/2005 9:40:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

This article is so biased it's not even surprising.


20 posted on 05/12/2005 9:40:44 PM PDT by RockinRye
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