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U.S. Catholics Now Batting for Illegal Aliens
Conservative News.US ^ | 5-12-2005 | E.F. Winslow

Posted on 05/12/2005 4:48:34 AM PDT by francke

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To: francke
What do you mean NOW? They've been advocating for illegal aliens for YEARS!!!

What a screaming joke. They want their people in place.

TO POPULATE IS TO GOVERN.

121 posted on 05/12/2005 8:32:23 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: moehoward
THIS IS NOTHING NEW. My wife has been quite active in the church for years. The Catholic church has provided a virtual underground railroad for Illegals.

You are EXACTLY right. They've been doing it in Tennessee for YEARS! I know for a fact!!! Americans are soooooo stupid.

122 posted on 05/12/2005 8:35:19 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SaltyJoe
Many Mexicans are Catholic, but Mexico doesn't have a very Catholic history.

You fellows frequently post disinformation. However, you post it in the WRONG place. Many of us here are very familiar with many topics and Mexican history is one of them. When Benito Juarez came to power in Mexico, the Catholic church controlled nearly 1/2 of the real estate in that country. ONE HALF. And, the church properties were TAX EXEMPT. He told them they could only have the land where the building stood. They incited Eugenia of France, empress to Napoleon III, to push for an attack by France to restore the Catholic dominance. Maximilian was installed as emperor in Mexico and shortly thereafter the Mexicans came back and overthrew and executed him. Part of this whole affair was the Cristero Rebellion in which ignorant peasants were convinced to fight for the Catholic church's cause and then abandoned when the church went with the established government after seeing "mene mene tekel upharsin" so to speak written on the wall.

How someone can know the history of the Catholic church's involvement in politics throughout time and still remain Catholic absolutely blows my mind. No where in the New Testament do I read of a role for the church of setting the political playing field in any secular governing situation. No where.

123 posted on 05/12/2005 8:42:53 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Former Fetus; trebb

Very good posts. Agreed, It is very hard to be a good Christian.....


124 posted on 05/12/2005 8:44:13 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: SaltyJoe

Thanks.


125 posted on 05/12/2005 8:46:02 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Catholics live a Sacramental Life.

I Hope that the Holy Eucharist isn't a threat to you. If you don't think that Jesus is present in the Holy Eucharist, then all of your arguments against the Catholic Faith are over a piece of bread.

Furthermore, it doesn't take much of an education to know who gave a better deal when two gamesters play for a kingdom. Mexicans weren't the only ones to revolt against pagan indecency. It's not about American/Mexican patriotism. "Religious freedom" is universal. So, wanting to remain Catholic should not offend anyone.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/qis1.html

http://www.vivasancarlos.com/patrick.html

http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/mexico/img/more_san_ps.html

I'm very happy that the Catholic Church inspired my ancestors of South America to drop their pagan ways. I could have been a victim of cannibalism.

Saltyjoe...in a white wine sauce.
126 posted on 05/12/2005 9:25:29 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (The anticipation is terrible...I hope it lasts!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; shellshocked

Here are more links.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/march2004/hogan.htm

and 3 letters to the editor that follow the article.

http://www.crisismagazine.com/june2004/letters.htm

If "chickens come home to roost" then whatever injustices were given then were returned by way of an American Civil War later.


127 posted on 05/12/2005 10:46:05 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (The anticipation is terrible...I hope it lasts!)
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To: cyborg

My family was different, but point taken. However, we are moving towards allowing things in other languages, not promoting English.


129 posted on 05/13/2005 4:35:07 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1

Definately agree with you. The trend isn't to unite through speaking one language. I suppose one can make a case for Switzerland but it's a different country than this one.


130 posted on 05/13/2005 4:36:33 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

When I go the local DMV, I get so upset over the fact that other than myself, very few people speak English. And I am told to accept it and laud it as if it is some good thing. It is not. It is destroying us!


131 posted on 05/13/2005 4:39:16 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1

A DMV clerk told me that over 50% of the documents presented for getting driver licenses are fake. All are from foreigners, illegals obviously if they aren't presenting real IDs. My mother was hit twice by illegals driving their relatives' cars. Guess who ended up paying? Balkanization isn't good. I hope republicans don't turn chicken on this driver issue.


132 posted on 05/13/2005 4:42:51 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Oh they will!. The GOP has shocked me since the election. I can not imagine Kerry would be much worse. Think about it - Illegals? Spending? Etc Etc. I volunteered for GWB for a week on my own dime in FL.

We just had a judge overturn DMV regs refusing to give licenses to those with bogus SS numbers. We are finished. If we cannot even as a nation prohibit driver's licenses to illegals with fake docs, what is left????


133 posted on 05/13/2005 4:46:11 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton Jr.)
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To: chris1

http://www.newyorkmagazine.com/nymetro/news/features/11961/index.html


I sent this tidbit to two people who were involved with the MM project.


134 posted on 05/13/2005 4:49:39 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: freedumb2003

Don't get me wrong... I almost went back and added before I posted that we need to shut off the spigot and have a mandatory cooling off period of between 6 months and two years while we round these people up and sort them out before we consider letting anyone else through.

I'm willing to be all kinds of merciful and agreeable AFTER we have control of the situation, not before.

But I'm definitely not pro illegal. I support three layers of concertina wire with a guard shack every kilometer. With reinforcements five miles back to meet at the quarterback if anybody breaches in force. Most people would say that makes me quite hawkish on the border.

I don't know why everybody is so enamoured with technology that they'd rather spend a billion to do something that could be done the old fashioned way for a few million.


135 posted on 05/13/2005 7:18:26 AM PDT by johnb838 (Technology will never change human nature.)
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To: seamole

Benito Juarez is one of the few leaders, the total of which can be counted on the fingers of ONE hand, who truly cared about the people. He was a good man and what he did was GOOD for Mexico. That is a fact, plain and simple. If his plan would have been upheld, Mexico would have had a chance. As it is now, it's a joke and everyone knows it. You just gave us the root of the problems in your discussion.


136 posted on 05/13/2005 10:09:00 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: seamole
He slaughtered the conservatives and stole Church land and gave it to his rich Liberal buddies.

He gave the land to the people. He was a good man. I stand on what I wrote. No apologies. And yes, if he could have eliminated Catholicism from Mexico, the country would have had a better chance. The corruption DOES come from Catholicism.

138 posted on 05/13/2005 2:39:08 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: francke

4 L8R


139 posted on 05/21/2005 7:53:59 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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