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U.S. Catholics Now Batting for Illegal Aliens
Conservative News.US ^ | 5-12-2005 | E.F. Winslow

Posted on 05/12/2005 4:48:34 AM PDT by francke

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To: Czar
What would you know about facts?

I posted a Bible quote. You've started bitching about race cards.

You lose.

101 posted on 05/12/2005 3:43:03 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: chris1
The push towards assimilation of the European ethnics was a result of WWII. The super-patriotisim that occurred and the mixing of Americans of all ethnicities outside of their communities for the first time made "Americans" out of people like my grandfathers. This sentiment lasted from about the 1940s to the 1960s when the various "ethnic pride" movements started, which mutated into the disgusting monstrosity know as "multiculturalism."

On a different but related subject, it always annoyed me how people speak of "the Irish and Italians" in the same breath as 1. True Italians have very little in common with the Paddys, and more in common with Latin Americans (which is why Italian immigrants to Brazil and Argentina assimilated quicker than in the U.S.) and 2. the Irish treated Italians, Poles, blacks and others like sh-t back in the day.

103 posted on 05/12/2005 3:44:54 PM PDT by Clemenza (Will somebody PLEASE stop that hammering!)
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To: PRND21
"You lose."

Gee, now I'm all depressed...

104 posted on 05/12/2005 3:49:31 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Bella_Bru

It is a good idea.

They encourage the freshly arrived (and long-present) illegal aliens, uneducated and backward as most are, to have as many children as possible and shun birth control otherwise Mary will strike them down.

In return the church gets a new generation of willing followers. And the taxpayers get to pay for raising, educating and keeping them healthy.


105 posted on 05/12/2005 3:52:57 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP ("The Republican Party is the France of politics" - Laz)
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To: Czar
Gee, now I'm all depressed...

This is nothing...wait til next month. ;)

106 posted on 05/12/2005 3:54:51 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: freedumb2003
This is a numbers game for the shrinking USA Catholic Church.

Benedict wants to shrink the church anyway, get rid of the cafeteria catholics, so don't expect anyone to genuflect your way with that argument anymore.

I see this as one of those things that the church is in a bit of a bind with. It has to take a humanitarian position. It's like the Iraq war. JPII said "The Churches position is always against war," which made a lot of people around here angry. But I think what that really means is that the Church knows that war is a political reality, but it is something that the church may not get involved in lest it be accused of another crusade.

I, myself consider myself to be pro immigrant. Once we stop the spigot, and find out who these people are, I have no problem with them coming here to work.

We just have to shut off the spigot FIRST.

107 posted on 05/12/2005 3:55:51 PM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: SaltyJoe

Amen, my FRiend!
God will call you where He needs you!


108 posted on 05/12/2005 3:56:36 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Pope B16-Smacking down Heresy since 1981!-Benedict Gott Geschickt)
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To: francke

Many Mexicans are Catholic, so I expected the Catholic church to support their invasion.


109 posted on 05/12/2005 3:58:47 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: trebb
"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.

God makes it pretty clear that aliens are people too...

I can buy that, but it also doesn't say kiss their asses or let them overrun your land. Those types the Lord usually says "Let no one be left alive lest they become a thorn in your side forever."

110 posted on 05/12/2005 4:00:14 PM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: Former Fetus

We just need to put up sufficient barbed wire and guard shacks to make it difficult to get across at other than ports of entry. It isn't rocket science. Then we need to find out who these people are, and then we can decide what to do with them.

As soon as we stop the influx and get control of the situation, I'm all for looking at guest worker alternatives and such as long as we can weed out the criminals.


111 posted on 05/12/2005 4:03:36 PM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: shellshocked

Many Mexicans are Catholic, but Mexico doesn't have a very Catholic history. It's been a place of horrific persecution against the Church. I've been told by a Priest that President Fox is Mexico's first practicing Catholic president.

Our Lady of Guadalupe has already seen the victory though.


112 posted on 05/12/2005 4:33:06 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (The anticipation is terrible...I hope it lasts!)
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To: NathanR
The alien was not treated better than their own, but was to be sold potentially bad meat.

Not so - the aliens were not Jews, which at the time were God's chosen and had insisted on Him giving them the Law. The Law required them to not eat certain foods, but the Law did not apply to non-Jews, so it was not a violation for others to eat the things that were ceremonially "unclean" to the Jews. In the New Testament, Peter has a dream where all sorts of until-then unclean animals and creatures were offered and he was instructed to kill and eat. He said he had never eaten unclean things and the answer was, "Who are you to call unclean, that which the Lord has made clean." This was an indication that there was no longer the taboos previously set down under the Law.

God Bless

113 posted on 05/12/2005 5:45:55 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: francke

We need to put some teeth in the law.
Anyone in the USA that is not legal should be made a felon with one year in jail and a $10,000 fine for the first time.
Anyone aiding or abetting these felons should have the same jail and fine for each criminal they help break the law.


114 posted on 05/12/2005 5:48:33 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." AYN RAND)
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To: johnb838
I can buy that, but it also doesn't say kiss their asses or let them overrun your land. Those types the Lord usually says "Let no one be left alive lest they become a thorn in your side forever."

That edict was set down for whole races/societies that either inhabited places that God was giving to the Jews or that were harassing the Jews. He never said it about folks drifting on in for livelihood.

115 posted on 05/12/2005 5:48:42 PM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: SaltyJoe

I thought, and I could be wrong, that the Spanish brough Catholicism to Mexico, and, therefore, the Catholic church in Mexico has been well established.


116 posted on 05/12/2005 6:24:24 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: SaltyJoe

I thought, and I could be wrong, that the Spanish brough Catholicism to Mexico, and, therefore, the Catholic church in Mexico has been well established.


117 posted on 05/12/2005 6:24:24 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: chris1; Clemenza

My grandmother never learned english. She was the stereotypical Sicilian granny and it used to make my father upset she never spoke english. It was a miracle they made it through the gauntlet at Ellis Island and I have a feeling the ONLY reason my grandpa made it through was because he was a stone mason. Italians could not and were not allowed to assimilate unless they changed their names and altered their appearance to look less Italian and more WASPish. Now it's different and that was 100 years ago almost. So you're right Clemenza. When I think about my family, it does take about three or four generations to assimilate.


118 posted on 05/12/2005 6:27:43 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: shellshocked

There were others that brought very anti-Catholic views to Mexico as well. Post apparition of our Lady of Guadalupe did not mean all things Catholic in Mexico proceeded happily ever after.

I'm very careful and hope to guard against "liberation" theology. But I've found some sites that don't ignore what pagans have done to Mexican history:

http://www.sspx.ca/Angelus/2002_January/The_Cristeros.htm


119 posted on 05/12/2005 8:26:47 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (The anticipation is terrible...I hope it lasts!)
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To: johnb838
I, myself consider myself to be pro immigrant. Once we stop the spigot, and find out who these people are, I have no problem with them coming here to work.

So am I. Legal immigrant. The illegals are going to destroy the USA. Round 'em up and send them home. Close the Borders. Period.

Or do you also support burglars and theives (which is what these people are)?

120 posted on 05/12/2005 8:31:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (First you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women (HJ Simpson))
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