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They Came Here to Die (gripping Marine battle Operation Matador)
Washington Post ^ | May 11, 2005 | Ellen Knickmeyer

Posted on 05/11/2005 3:28:06 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day

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To: Charlespg

Now that's what I call a cigarette lighter!!! 8*)


61 posted on 05/11/2005 6:09:34 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Bars4Bill

The reason we don't use flamethrowers is due to extreme short range of the man portable systems & all it takes is ONE rifle bullet hitting the fuel tank & the operator finds himself in a spray of napalm ! Very ugly weapon with some very ugly flaws


62 posted on 05/11/2005 6:18:17 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
If someone could have just paid close attention to angle of fire

Yeah, it's just so simple, ain't it?

63 posted on 05/11/2005 6:21:22 PM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Coop
Yeah, it's just so simple, ain't it?

Not being there, maybe not. However, the idea is offered as a suggestion. You might preface your sarcasm with reasoning, etc. first and go a long ways toward convincing me to see things your way.

At present, though, I am not feeling negotiable. I would take a much harder line around the world regarding our troops. I'll spare you the details.

64 posted on 05/11/2005 7:11:09 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
A 60 or 81 mm white phosphorous mortar round, wrapped three times with detonation cord and a 1/4 or 1/2 stick of C-4 – Used when contact is made in a house and the enemy must be burned out.

I like that idea even better. Cut the marines loose.

65 posted on 05/11/2005 7:13:43 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I'll spare you the details.

No surprise there. Why break the momentum?

66 posted on 05/12/2005 8:43:04 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Field tested in Faluja...They work...so does a D9-R cat...just drive through the house...


67 posted on 05/12/2005 8:49:48 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: kabar

Thank you. 20 f'ng posts before someone said it! This article made us look like bad guys!


68 posted on 05/12/2005 8:57:02 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Bars4Bill

political backlash in general against napalm and other flame weapons due to a few properly placed photos in the press during VietNam. The one with the little girl running down the street naked, after her village got firebombed, for instance.


69 posted on 05/12/2005 9:01:34 AM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: 7thson
Thanks. Not only that. Ms. Knickmeyer has another article today in the WP on the frontpage entitled, Demise of a Hard-Fighting Squad: Marines Who Survived Ambush Are Killed, Wounded in Blast

Among the four Marines killed and 10 wounded when an explosive device erupted under their Amtrac on Wednesday were the last battle-ready members of a squad that four days earlier had battled foreign fighters holed up in a house in the town of Ubaydi. In that fight, two squad members were killed and five were wounded.

In 96 hours of fighting and ambushes in far western Iraq, the squad had ceased to be....

Lima Company drew Marine reservists from across Ohio into the conflict in Iraq. Some were still too young to be bothered much by shaving, or even stubble.

On Monday, when the Marine assault on foreign fighters formally began, the young Marines of the squad from the 1st Platoon were already exhausted. Their encounter at the house in Ubaydi that morning and the previous night had been the unintended first clash of the operation, pitting them against insurgents who fired armor-piercing bullets up through the floor. It took 12 hours and five assaults by the squad -- plus grenades, bombing by an F/A-18 attack plane, tank rounds and rockets at 20 yards -- to kill the insurgents and permit recovery of the dead Marines' bodies.

Many Marines complained bitterly that commanders had pulled them out of the fight at Ubaydi while the insurgents were still battling, to start the planned offensive. "They take us from killing the people they want us to kill and bring us to these ghost villages," one complained Wednesday on the porch of a house commandeered as a temporary base.

"That's the last of the squad," said another, Cpl. Craig Miller, whose reassignment last month had taken him out of the unit. "Three weeks ago, that would have been me."

Late Wednesday, helicopters flew out Hurley and the remaining members of 1st Platoon for time off. They are to return after the platoon is remade, Marines said.

Another Lima Company platoon commander ordered his men to bed early, in preparation for the next day's operations. Mourning could wait.

"We don't have time," the commander said.

Pretty inspiring stuff--for the enemy.

70 posted on 05/12/2005 9:38:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: 7thson

Just discovered you were in the Navy. Me too. I served from 1965-72, including a tour at NAVSUPPACT Naples, 1968-70.


71 posted on 05/12/2005 9:40:40 AM PDT by kabar
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To: GSlob
At least they could "spill" couple gallons of gasoline inside and then toss a cigarette butt.

Excellent idea. Let it linger a while to fume up good.

72 posted on 05/12/2005 9:46:08 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: kabar

Small world. I was at AFSHOUTH Naples, Italy from Aug 77 to Aug 79.


73 posted on 05/12/2005 10:15:19 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: kabar
Small world. I was at AFSOUTH Naples, Italy from Aug 77 to Aug 79.

Corrected the type.

74 posted on 05/12/2005 10:15:43 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: Coop
No surprise there. Why break the momentum?

You really shouldn't be making an attempt to insult. I didn't insult you and it might be wise to let it go. I am not going to debate you on this forum. Hiding behind a computer is cowardice. No further comment.

75 posted on 05/12/2005 10:22:25 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: rdcorso

Agree. Demolish the house. Or, if they keep employing this tactic, perhaps a few water trucks to flood the houses. I'm sure several ghastly solutions can be thought up to deal with this. Makes me rather angry.


76 posted on 05/12/2005 10:24:25 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Awwww, there, there dearie. If my comment is an "insult," then I'm afraid we'll have to include your initial comment in that category as well.

You might preface your sarcasm with reasoning, etc.

Oh, woe is me! [sob]

77 posted on 05/12/2005 10:28:17 AM PDT by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: kabar
I found this article to be blatantly pro-terrorist

You're not alone. It's subtle at times and more direct at others - but the writer does portray the terrorists in the kind of favorable light I've come to expect from the MSM...

78 posted on 05/12/2005 10:29:17 AM PDT by Fury
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To: kabar
What a hatchet job.

Yesterday I said of a similar LA Times story that the media have their cheerleading skirts and pom-poms on for their beloved "insurgents". This piece of crap from the ComPost leads me to think that the author is actually wearing kneepads and a blue dress for their brave jihadis.

Good Lord, how many US servicemen have been injured or killed as a result of our own media cheerleading for the enemy? From Day 1, this kind of garbage has given them the hope that, if they just hang on long enough, that "The Great Satan" will punk out and go home. How much of the blood spilled over the last two years is on the media's hands?

79 posted on 05/12/2005 10:55:33 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Will Work For Ammo)
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To: AngryJawa
From Day 1, this kind of garbage has given them the hope that, if they just hang on long enough, that "The Great Satan" will punk out and go home. How much of the blood spilled over the last two years is on the media's hands?

Right on. The MSM did that to us in Vietnam. Tet was portrayed as a victory for the Communists, when really it was a resounding defeat. Today, the MSM wants us to lose in Iraq. They are not reporting fairly what is actually going on there. Most of the country has been pacified, the infrastructure rebuilt, and democratic institutions taking root. Ms. Knickmeyer has an obvious agenda and her objective is to demoralize the American public and lessen support for the war. Why? An American victory is bad for the Democrat party.

80 posted on 05/12/2005 12:05:38 PM PDT by kabar
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