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New York Student Sues High School for Prohibiting Pro-Life Shirt
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Posted on 05/11/2005 2:11:51 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly

(CNSNews.com) - A junior at Fillmore Central High School near Buffalo, N.Y., has filed a federal lawsuit against his school district for ordering him to remove his pro-life T-shirt in violation of his free-speech rights. The Thomas More Law Center, a Michigan-based public interest law firm, and the American Catholic Lawyers Association are representing the student, Kevin Dibble, who was told by the school principal that the message on his T-shirt was offensive and therefore prohibited. The T-shirt read, "Abortion is Homicide. You will not silence my message. You will not mock my God. You will stop killing my generation. Rock for Life." Dibble said he had worn the same shirt to school several times before he was stopped - and suspended for refusing to remove it. "This is another example of a school taking sides in the abortion issue and attempting to silence a student's message because it disagrees with it," said Richard Thompson, chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center.


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To: Semper
First of all, no one is "pro-death" - that is contrary to mature reason. Because people get killed in war does not make those who support any particular war "pro-death". Thousands get killed in auto accidents but those supporting freedom to drive are not "pro-death". Why would you label my mother (who would die in child birth) "pro-death" if she had to resort to an abortion? Second of all, no school could get away with banning some religious or social commentary and not others. _______________________________________________________ Sure they can. You can't have a Bible in school, but some school districts are required to teach courses in Islam...all in the name of tolerance and harmony, of course.
61 posted on 05/11/2005 4:14:47 PM PDT by KStorm (Up/Down vote for nominees NOW.)
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To: Luna

How about this for a t-shirt?

"It's Monday morning, and I'm ready for brainwashing!"


62 posted on 05/11/2005 4:20:14 PM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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To: Born Conservative

Hey...can I be on your Public Schools Ping List?


63 posted on 05/11/2005 4:23:32 PM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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To: andie74

LOL!! I love it!


64 posted on 05/11/2005 4:28:36 PM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: Semper

"the self-righteous "pro-lifers""

"SELF righteous"? How do you figure, since, in the matter under discussion, they defer to GOD?

Since killing the life growing in a womans womb is, well, killing, how then can one who advocates it's legality NOT be pro death? You see "arrogance" in this position!?

I think you protest too much.


65 posted on 05/11/2005 4:30:32 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: GeneralStorm
You can't have a Bible in school, but some school districts are required to teach courses in Islam...all in the name of tolerance and harmony, of course.

Where are you living? What public school does not have a Bible in its library? What public school can prevent someone from carrying a Bible with them anywhere? THAT is against the constitution and can not be legally done.

66 posted on 05/11/2005 4:35:47 PM PDT by Semper
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly; The Mayor; neverdem; Mr. Silverback; NYer; Sun; Tabi Katz; moog; ...
National Pro-Life T-Shirt Day is Coming (Tuesday, April 26, 2005

67 posted on 05/11/2005 4:38:01 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Semper

Where have YOU been for the past twenty years?

I know of a number of public schools without a Bible in the library, and I know kids who have been reprimanded for praying on the playground, silently praying before lunch, and reading the Bible during free reading time. Heck, search FR and you'll find plenty of this activity.

Of course it cannot be legally done...but it happens. A lot of families have had to go to court to make it permissible within the school district.

I love ya, Marine, but I think you're off on this one.


68 posted on 05/11/2005 4:47:18 PM PDT by andie74 (Socializing children at home since 2003)
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To: TalBlack
Since killing the life growing in a womans womb is, well, killing, how then can one who advocates it's legality NOT be pro death? You see "arrogance" in this position!?

Killing life applies after the process of birth. Before that process it is potential life, just as before adulthood a child is a potential adult. The child may or may not become an adult and an unborn may or may not become a baby.

The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those whom they know nothing about what is best for that family. By design, children come from families, not from governments or religious organizations. If a woman will risk death by carrying a pregnancy to term, it is not "pro death" to decide to have an abortion and that decision is not the prerogative of the government or your religious belief.

69 posted on 05/11/2005 4:52:05 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
Killing life applies after the process of birth.

This is simply a false statement and unscientific gobbledygook. For somebody to claim the mantle of science as you have and then make such a statement is pretty damn hypocritical Semper.

Before that process it is potential life, just as before adulthood a child is a potential adult. The child may or may not become an adult and an unborn may or may not become a baby.

At all stages life exists. Yes, there is a continuum of life from conceptus to death but if you favor the taking of unborn life be honest about it. Don't make believe a baby in the womb is non life and then after delivery it is, presto, life. You can take a position that favors abortion without being intellectually dishonest, no?

70 posted on 05/11/2005 4:58:34 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Semper
If that is the case it is indeed unconstitutional. The most appropriate action would then be to call for the end of the other displays. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I can live with discipline and good order in the school. No messages or all messages that don't break obscentiy laws in the locale.

But only after this particular principal is suitably chastised for his callous disregard of the First Amendment.

71 posted on 05/11/2005 5:00:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: andie74
I know kids who have been reprimanded for praying on the playground, silently praying before lunch, and reading the Bible during free reading time.

I find this really hard to believe but given that it is true, I would welcome the opportunity to hammer whomever was responsible for this blatant error. Legally it would be like the "wack-a-mole" game. Talk about being an overwhelming victor, this would be a cake walk.

72 posted on 05/11/2005 5:01:08 PM PDT by Semper
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly

Abortion is offensive but its taught in the "sex ed" class I'd bet on it.

Next time I want to see him wear a picture of an abortion on his chest.

I've done that on the streetcorner and can tell you it was the most fulfilling time of my life.


73 posted on 05/11/2005 5:03:21 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

Clarification : I held a big sign not wore a T-Shirt.


74 posted on 05/11/2005 5:03:58 PM PDT by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Semper

"Killing life applies after the process of birth. "

Wow. What are we to call this "fact" The Semper technicality?

Life has a determinable beginning and a demonstrable end. There are no facts which trump this. Moreover, we are not entitled to make them up for the purposes of a political argument.


"The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those.."

It is arrogance in the EXTREME for one citizen to think he may decide what is and is not a proper source of belief for another citizen in a representative republic. You are not big enough to tell me what moral source may inform my vote any more than I am able to disqualify a Communist Manifesto spouting professor from HIS vote. By the way, since an atheist scientest may (and many do)believe abortion is immoral how do you figure the position as a purely religious response?


75 posted on 05/11/2005 5:16:33 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: jwalsh07
Don't make believe a baby in the womb is non life and then after delivery it is, presto, life.

What about sperm? Sperm is alive. Just because it has not made it to the egg, does that mean that its life is not significant? Why not legally protect sperm?

You can take a position that favors abortion without being intellectually dishonest, no?

I do not take a position that favors abortion! What a disrespectful proposition. I have gone to war for this country but I do NOT favor war! That is what is so disgusting about the zealot religious fanatics who arrogantly see themselves as the saviors of the human race; abortion and war are both abhorrent but sometimes necessary. What is important is who decides about those matters and what determines that decision. We still have a way to go on both matters.

76 posted on 05/11/2005 5:18:28 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper

"Killing life applies after the process of birth. "

Wow. What are we to call this "fact" The Semper technicality?

Life has a determinable beginning and a demonstrable end. There are no facts which trump this. Moreover, we are not entitled to make them up for the purposes of a political argument.


"The arrogance I am talking about is the attempt of religious zealots to determine for the families of those.."

It is arrogance in the EXTREME for one citizen to think he may decide what is and is not a proper source of belief for another citizen in a representative republic. You are not big enough to tell me what moral source may inform my vote any more than I am able to disqualify a Communist Manifesto spouting professor from HIS vote. By the way, since an atheist scientest may (and many do)believe abortion is immoral how do you figure the position as a purely religious response?


77 posted on 05/11/2005 5:18:54 PM PDT by TalBlack
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To: TalBlack

Read my post # 76 and then reply.


78 posted on 05/11/2005 5:21:31 PM PDT by Semper
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To: Semper
you posted you were a Christian.

Psalms 139: 13

For you created my inmost being, you knit me together in my mother's womb.

Since god created you, where do you find in the bible a "right to destroy it before birth"?

Since god also know you in the womb how then were you not a person?

79 posted on 05/11/2005 5:22:08 PM PDT by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
Prohibiting Pro-Life Shirt?

Isn't that discrimination? Bias? Bigotry?

How can the left do this with straight face, someone tell the emperor he has no clothes!

This is the exact reason I am against Affirmative Action. It is not that I don't want the minorities to succeed, I just don't want it to happen at someone else's expense.
80 posted on 05/11/2005 5:24:29 PM PDT by TheForceOfOne (Laura is wonderful so get off her back pinheads!)
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