Was World War II worth it? (Buchanan barf alert)

WorldNetDaily ^ | May 11, 2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

[EveningStar]

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.

If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.

Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?

[KidGlock]

Enough bobbing and weaving. Just defend these.

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Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

During the Gulf crisis: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States." ("McLaughlin Group," 8/26/90)

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (The Guardian, 1/14/92)

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

Buchanan's columns have run in the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist concoction. Buchanan called for closing the U.S. Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which prosecuted Nazi war criminals, because it was "running down 70-year-old camp guards." (New York Times, 4/21/87)

Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90

[iconoclast]

Led to a second term for Bush I too, or do you need a refresher on that?

A second term for Bush?

Who needs the refresher course? ;o)

[SJackson]

Led to a second term for Bush I too, or do you need a refresher on that?...A second term for Bush?...Who needs the refresher course? ;o)

No one who remembers Clinton.

[Peach]

You're still the village idiot, I see.

[cyborg]

WW2 historical ping

[KidGlock]

Do you have anything of any actual substance to say?

Sure.

I am happy that Pat Buchanan, the Nazi party and international communism were all defeated.

But too bad Pat Buchanan is still around to defend his ideology.

[iconoclast]

if you're a camp guard here illegally, he's on your side.

Illegally? I don't remember that as an issue.

No, Pat didn't have a great fever for persecuting young underlings 50 years later.

Few did. Only the extremists.

[iconoclast]

And I pity you people who continue to defend Pat Buchanan.

What a pitiful retort!

[KidGlock]

Pat didn't have a great fever for persecuting young underlings 50 years later.

Correct. Buchanan only had great ferver defending nazi guards.

[iconoclast]

Buchanan referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)

Politically speaking, it was undeniable then as it is now.

BTW, nice cut and paste.

[ArrogantBustard]

I am happy that Pat Buchanan, the Nazi party and international communism were all defeated.

Tell that to the ChiComs ... For that matter, I'm not convinced communism was really defeated in Russia. Any defeat that international communism suffered was no thanks to Fascist Delano Roosevelt, Hero of Yalta. The disgraceful legacy of Yalta, BTW, is the actual subject of this article. Your inability to address the topic, indeed the inability of most participants on this thread to address the topic, is noted.

[KidGlock]

You picked the easiest one.

But can you defend this one?

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."

I can get Pat's whole article for you if you need it.

[iconoclast]

Led to a second term for Bush I too, or do you need a refresher on that?...

A second term for Bush?...Who needs the refresher course? ;o)

No one who remembers Clinton.

What's with the cryptic/nonsense response?

Are you like your fearless leader? Never 'fess up to a mistake? ;o)

[iconoclast]

You're still the village idiot, I see.

You sure do JimRob proud with these highly intelligent posts.

[malakhi]

I fail to understand why some people, who are not themselves communists, cannot abide hearing about the evils of International Communism.

Uh, no. I'm quite aware of the evils of communism. What I fail to understand is why some have difficulty grasping the evils of authoritarian fascism, and minimize these evils as compared to communism.

[ArrogantBustard]

I think he's trying to tell you that George Herbert Walker Bush was not elected to a second presidential term in 1992.

Instead, a piece of filth named clinton was elected to its first term of office.

But I might be mistaken. He might be making some comment about the government of Alpha Centauri ... a topic of which I know nothing.

[iconoclast]

Correct. Buchanan only had great ferver defending nazi guards.

My recollection is that Israel sent this "boogie man" back home.

What's your agenda?

[SJackson]

if you're a camp guard here illegally, he's on your side...Illegally? I don't remember that as an issue...No, Pat didn't have a great fever for persecuting young...underlings 50 years later....Few did. Only the extremists.

Pat has on several occasions defended the right of Nazis who entered America illegally, as I suspect you know. And please, don't come back to me with the bull shit that Demjanjuk wasn't a camp guard, every court that's looked at him in the US and Israel has said he was. And yes, Arthur Rudolph was a slavemaster. Means nothing to Pat I know. Barred from entry, but white Americans, no harm no foul. So they whacked a few Jews and assorted others, but it's not like they're brown skinned Catholics destroying our culture. I get the racial thing, but yes, they entered illegally. The worst kind of illegal.

Those extremeists you speak of, well, they're judges and prosecutors, of both parties. Frankly, I can't think of anyone taking Pat's side on this issue.

Personally, I think Nazis suck. Those that didn't persecute civilians, we do let in. Those that did, camp guards, employers of slave labor, we didn't, and we've kicked their ugly racist asses out. A problem for Pat, I realize, and for some of their supporters.

[KidGlock]

We all know Pat Buchanan's agenda.

I guess we should ask you what yours is.