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To: Jeff Head
No nation has ever fought China with weapons and won. They can only be beaten from within (sound familiar ??)

1) Wreck the Yuan.

2) Impose 200% tariffs on all Chinese goods.

3) Support democratic reform with hard dollars.

4) Embargo all pro-chinese puppet states (south America)

5) Let the civil war take care of it's self.

7 posted on 05/10/2005 6:21:09 PM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: xcamel
My feeling has been that we need to treat them (Red China) as Reagan treated the Soviets in the 80's...or the present day version of the same. Which is is essence what you have written.

In the series, I am trying to make the point that the current scenario and "Permanent Favorite Nation Status" lead, IMHO, to very serious war, where to start we fare terribly...although in my series, we ultimately triumph after unbelievable carnage.

12 posted on 05/10/2005 6:24:20 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: xcamel

6) Nuke them till they glow.


15 posted on 05/10/2005 6:27:25 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: xcamel
No nation has ever fought China with weapons and won.

The Vietnamese kicked their @$$ if I remember correctly.

69 posted on 05/10/2005 7:16:48 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: xcamel
No nation has ever fought China with weapons and won. They can only be beaten from within (sound familiar ??)

China has been defeated by force of arms many times in the past 200 years. In fact, it is hard to find a world power that hasn't defeated China at some point in the last two hundred years: the First Opium War, the Second Opium War, Shimonoseki, the Boxer Rebellion, Manchukuo - China was the "sick man of [east] Asia" ().

76 posted on 05/10/2005 7:20:34 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: xcamel
1) Wreck the Yuan.

2) Impose 200% tariffs on all Chinese goods.

3) Support democratic reform with hard dollars.

4) Embargo all pro-chinese puppet states (south America)

5) Let the civil war take care of it's self.

Why would we want to do all this now? These steps would definitely start a war. These are all good things we can threaten to do, or do, IF China provokes us directly or attacks our interests anywhere. If that happens, we should do all that AND MORE...if not, let's continue to advance the demise of the Chicom govt and bring China into our camp as an ally.

86 posted on 05/10/2005 7:25:00 PM PDT by NewLand (Faith in The Lord trumps all!)
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To: xcamel
6.) Drive up the price of oil above $50/bbl and keep it there for a decade, the reverse of our low-price oil strategy to bust the Russians. Use the same tools we used in the 1980s, only in reverse: Capital restraint by the oil majors, "paper" trading on the NYMEX (long this time vs short before) and lean on the Saudis to restrain output. Bad-mouth Saudi reserves for added effect.

7.) Persuade the Russians to avoid building a pipeline into China. Pressure the Kazakhs to do likewise and fund our own pipelines out of Central Asia to draw off those oil supplies.

8.) Keep the dollar weak, to make oil all the more costly in Yuan.

9.) Keep tanker rates inordinately high.

10.) Sop up surplus oil on the market with massive "strategic" stockpiling, and prod the rest of the world to do the same.

11.) When people like Saddam start doing equity oil deals with the Chinese, overthrow their regimes (Venezuela), occupy their countries (Iraq) or bleed them to death with rebellions and guerrilla war (Sudan).

You will see we are already five years into this economic war. It will last another decade, or until China cracks.

123 posted on 05/10/2005 8:40:00 PM PDT by Tenega
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To: xcamel

Good points.

But won't happen.


131 posted on 05/10/2005 8:47:54 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: xcamel

This would also mean cutting off all trade and blocading Russia, because it is a main supplier of weapons to China. This, in turn, could spark a war with Russia. Fighting BOTH the Chinese and Russians (And the Former USSR states still loyal to it)... Can't be done!


141 posted on 05/10/2005 8:53:49 PM PDT by Thunder90
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