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The War on Pot: Wrong Drug, Wrong War
NRO ^ | 05/10/2005 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 05/10/2005 2:33:54 PM PDT by bassmaner

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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"A bit like guns!"

A lot like guns... both being a malevolent talisman to socialists.


61 posted on 05/10/2005 4:25:11 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: bassmaner

He was specifically talking about marijuana as a part of the WOD and not all drugs that fall under the WOD. He advocated nothing but the easing of arrests for marijuana, and the continued fight against hard and dangerous drugs.


62 posted on 05/10/2005 4:28:59 PM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: somniferum
I'd say that was a good point. From what I've read alcohol in large amounts can actually interrupt autonomic functions. The dose would probably have to be really large, and I'd think the victim would have to be weak or alcoholism chronic. Ted Kennedy must be strong as an ox (form follows function/function follows form).

63 posted on 05/10/2005 4:38:07 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell

Marijuana Is Gateway to Hard Drugs in Twins Study

www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/826937/posts

Teen-agers who smoked marijuana before turning 17 were more likely to use and abuse harder drugs and alcohol as young adults, a study of Australian twins released on Tuesday said.

The "gateway" hypothesis -- where the use of "soft" drugs can lead to a desire for "hard" drugs offering a more intense high -- appeared to be born out in the study of 311 sets of fraternal and identical twins. All the twins included one who had begun smoking marijuana before age 17 while the other had not.

The study found those who had smoked early in life were between two and five times more likely than their nonsmoking siblings to abuse alcohol or harder drugs such as cocaine and heroin when they reached their 20s or 30s.


64 posted on 05/10/2005 4:45:43 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: RKV
The booze companies (and the tax man too) would lose out since you can grow killer weed in your backyard.

I think you are right in stating their fear, but I think in the long run that fear is misplaced.

First, I don’t think that most people have either the time or ambition to “grow their own”. You could grow tobacco in your basement but there is no reason to, nor is there a reason to brew your own beer.

Pot is not much different than other low level drugs and the tax revenues that could be generated through legalization would only be dwarfed by the staggering cost savings in terms of enforcement, prosecutions, incarceration, probation and parole management.

I have no doubt that there would be significant negative societal consequences to such a move; however denying the billions in profit to the criminal organizations behind this increasing violent industry is tempting.

65 posted on 05/10/2005 4:55:59 PM PDT by usurper (Correct spelling is overrated)
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To: William Terrell
"You have been exposed to bad information. A CNS depressant physically affects the firing of the synapses. Cannabis has no such effect."

I have been exposed to bad information? If cannabis does not impact the firing of synapses then by what mechanism does marijuana have its effect? Spurious firings of synapses can also have a deleterious impact on reaction time by overwhelming and flooding out valid information. The addition of noise effectively decreases the rate at which information can be transmitted/processed. The mechanism may be different from depressants but the impact on reaction time is certainly still there.
66 posted on 05/10/2005 4:59:34 PM PDT by Avenger
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To: _Jim; William Terrell

Ahh, but accorkding to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse, tobacco and alcohol are the true gateway drugs.

CASA analysis reveals:

Ninety percent of children who used marijuana smoked or drank first.

Children who drink are 50 times more likely to use cocaine than non-drinkers.

Children who smoke are 19 times more likely to use cocaine than nonsmokers.

The CASA study also links the use of gateway drugs by children with subsequent regular use of illicit substances as adults:

Ninety-one percent of adults who used marijuana as children smoked or drank first.

Adults who drank as children are six times more likely to
be regular cocaine users.


67 posted on 05/10/2005 5:03:57 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: William Terrell
You'll probably love this remake of a classic. I've never seen so many positive reviews on IMDB.

While I tossed out the paraphenalia after high school the government's woody for going after these easy targets has always struck me as being evil in itself. Confiscation laws and the private prison industry has had a hand in perpetuating the witch hunt. Mandatory mininum sentencing has cost us billions in this case.

But what do I know - I continually stayed under the influence for three years and graduated valedictorian. If I kept it up I might have stayed in college (BEER is the gateway drug to KEGS)!

That's all just urine under the bridge now...

68 posted on 05/10/2005 5:04:28 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus (Novus ordo seclorum.)
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To: Wolfie

Need a cite woofie; it's not that I don't trust you or anything, I just like to read and 'bookmark' those kind of sources ...


69 posted on 05/10/2005 5:09:30 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: bassmaner
I soked pot in college in the late 1960s. I was a business major but only partied on Friday nights with freinds listening to Santana, Crosby Stills Nash & Young, Jim Croce, Stones, Beatles, Earth Wind and Fire, and the Moody Blues.

Beyond Friday nights however, it was straight milk, or iced tea.

70 posted on 05/10/2005 5:20:32 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: ChildOfThe60s
As far as I can tell, um, uh, hmm....what were we talking about?

Well Nancy, we were talking about our dining tonight. You ate all the anchovies with a 2 quart ice cream chaser. I ate the pizza with the green topping. The Bumble Bee tuna was over cooked; and a bit zippy with the Tabasco. Todd and Karen are into a peanut throwing contest. Karen is the better pitcher (or is that picher, or picture?).

That said, I will get this all straightened out tomorrow. ... now, who's got the roach clip?

Someone put on Carlos or Elton.

71 posted on 05/10/2005 5:28:55 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: RKV
Yep. Big business doesn't want it legalized either. The booze companies (and the tax man too) would lose out since you can grow killer weed in your backyard.

A younger business associate of mine is harvesting a small crop. I gave up the desire toking about 25 years ago.

72 posted on 05/10/2005 5:31:16 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

I saw your name and had to speak up. John Kennedy Toole wrote one hell of a funny book. Not too many people have read it so it is was nice to see someone who had.


73 posted on 05/10/2005 5:39:14 PM PDT by fishntex
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To: Trampled by Lambs
I'm with you on that assessment. About 25 years ago, I was at my best friends house for a 4th of July blow-out. I had a few pops, and Rick asked me to do a doobie. This HAD to have been laced. I got so buzzed, that I started trippin. Coming down, I saw his wife, Barb, with whom we worked on a daily basis, and I got into the grope process.

Two days later at work, both Barb and Rick said that if we were not such good friends, Rick would have killed me for grabbing Barb's tits.

Now THAT is the last time I toked a joint.

74 posted on 05/10/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: fishntex

Yeah, it is a great book. Such a shame the guy took himself out, would love to read more of his stuff.


75 posted on 05/10/2005 5:44:35 PM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: Ignatius J Reilly

Yep, very sad deal.


76 posted on 05/10/2005 5:49:02 PM PDT by fishntex
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To: _Jim
I think that all that study could determine is that a person with a predilection for using intoxicating substances is willing to try what is available in the way of stronger substances. Which does not support:

The "gateway" hypothesis -- where the use of "soft" drugs can lead to a desire for "hard" drugs offering a more intense high

Agree?

77 posted on 05/10/2005 5:58:57 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Disagree; I think you just made the case on 'gateway' substances ...
78 posted on 05/10/2005 6:23:08 PM PDT by _Jim (<--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: bassmaner

Rich is Right.


79 posted on 05/10/2005 6:34:37 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Wolfie
Ahh, but accorkding to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse, tobacco and alcohol are the true gateway drugs.

Well, the CASA stats are very much open to interpretation. And I feel free to add mine.

Pot is a relatively benign substance from a phyical health standpoint. Not harmless, but in the scheme of things, not a big deal.

I have formed my opinions based on my own use (in the old days) and my observations of those I knew. I pretty much have to go with the "dependent personality" type senerio. i.e. the problem lies more with the user than on the substance used.

The concept of "gateway" drugs is pretty much a fallacy. The gateway drug is the first drug a dependent personality happens to get a hold of.

In any case, in a practical sense, focusing so much on pot in this drug issue has accomplished little or nothing outside of driving up prices and stimulating the ingenuity of those interested in producing alternate sources of it. Done nothing about the heavy duty stuff.

80 posted on 05/10/2005 6:47:53 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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