Posted on 05/10/2005 10:52:23 AM PDT by lizol
I did not know about it until the thread here on FR. Very shocking. Putin may or may not be behind this but I sure as heck don't trust him.
Forget Russia. There is a wave of "jingoistic" patriotism sweeping Poland/Baltics. The Polish Nationalists and the Baltics are whipping up anti- russian sentiment across the region for no reason!! This is nothing but polish fascism. These cowards dont have the guts to take on a country like Russia and will probably end terrorising innocent defenseless russians inside their borders.
If you dont believe me - go to the Baltics. The Russian population there is terrified and the situation sometimes resembles Germany just before Hitler seized power. Russians are NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE unless they pass a National Exam!!!!
They should fear the Russians. But they should also fear the Communists who have never been purged from their own power structures (who are no doubt working with the Soviets within Russian power structures).
The Communists are now "Polish Nationalists"...
There is also another matter - Russians understand all too well, that they actually have the potential of becoming a superpower once again, unlike most European states. This is a very powerful drive, considering the Russian history.==
Why do you think Russia isn't superpower now? Russia is not empirial anymore but she is still superpower militarily. She possess 10000 active nukes and many thousands of delivery missiles. Still have about 40000 tanks.
She CHOOSES to use all her arsenals only for defense. But she still very strong to destroy everyone around including United States. It is superpower.
Russia continues to develop and refine her military abilities. Not in scale of USSR but she still gets many new and newset toys.
Russia still second space power on Earth. She stiil launches space ships.
Recently she overcame best production rate of Soviet Union economy. She alone with out Ukraine and others.
She is far from be poor or weak.
Anyway, it is clear, that while USA is working against it, the idea of Slavic unity with Ukraine and Belarus is impossible to realize.===
DYR it is laughable "analysis". Just some suspicious people toward AMerica like on this board but toward Russia which we see plenty.
With Ukraine and Bellorus Russia may have not "slavic" but "rus" union if any. Both three are decendant of Kiev Rus which is much closer then only slavic.
This union could be done only under external threat. Now when there no such threat then no union.
If you dont believe me - go to the Baltics. The Russian population there is terrified and the situation sometimes resembles Germany just before Hitler seized power. Russians are NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE unless they pass a National Exam!!!! ==
It is little exaggarated. Russians are all have thier the analog of american "green card" even better then green card. They can get thier national passport for going abroad.
Russians can get thier full citizenship (vote rights) if passed LANGUAGE exam not "National Exam". As I understand those requirements are not stricter then in US for accquiring citizenship.
The problem with Russians in baltics is just they want russian schools, newspapers, so on. Like mexicans in United States.
Baltics are against it. Hence there are the conflict which worsened by some national prejuduce too.
Russia is not superpower right now. The only thing that might be attributed to that status, is the nukes, and big (as in numerous) army. The nukes will be out of service in 10-15 years, and no new ones are being built, there are about two squadrons of usable fighters, the navy is nonexistant. The space industry is in such a bad shape that the guys there joke about "we can propose new space projects we are never going to make". The biggest problem is that the average age of people working in strategic industries is 50+, and the new specialist are not coming, because the wages are meager and hardly paid in these industries. Well, there is no point in this - there was an excelent article by Mark Styne not so long ago, which describes the sirtuation in its true colors. Now, is THAT a superpower? Hardly. If you don't believe me, ask the Russians in their military and aerospace discussion boards.
The newest toys... where did you dig that from?? And how do you judge the production ratio, by oil export figures?
As to the analysis, it may seem laughable to you, but it clearly illustrates what Russians themselves think of their international situation, especially when being pressurized like now. It is not some paranoia quirk off of some ultra-nationalistic discussion board, it is actually the common *public opinion*. It might not be absolutely true to the point, but this is what Russians themselves *feel*.
As to the "slavic", or "rus", unity, I agree partly with you regarding Poland, Hungary and all these folks. But the Russia, Ukraine and Belarus is a different matter altogether. These have for long time been together, almost one people. Their current division into separate states is a historical absurdity, which one day will be corrected. Mainly, this division exists because none of them is entirely happy with others form of government and Ukraine and Belarus resent the levels of corruption prevalent in Russia. Nevertheless, if the three prosper and reach a similar form of government and management, they will surely form a tight union of some sort - maybe a federation with joint government.
report me for abuse?? lol. for what. i have a view that polish nationalism is dangerous for Europe. i am here on FR to voice my opinion and not to be on your good books. in other words i dont care what you think about me.
i will continue to point out any lies or propaganda that i find distastefully. by the way i am not anti-polish. i am against bigotry that passes off as nationalism
It is both of you who should be visiting Psychologists. You are the bigots trying to whip up hatred where none should exist. And I would suggest a Russian psychologist just to make things nice for you..
Tone down the hatred. Cries of "Polska bez Zydow" actively aided Hitler's storm troppers. We dont want that happening again. The World will not tolerate that crap or BS anymore.
Enough of xenophobia - live and let live!!
why will the psychiatrist be late? you should get an english teacher before it is too late!!
I heared they surrendered and then they were all slaughtered as prisoners. But then again I heared you have some special history books in Russia.
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