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Hollywood worried, "Kingdom of Heaven" a dud
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Posted on 05/10/2005 10:08:55 AM PDT by GulliverSwift

Hollywood worried, "Kingdom" a dud Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, May 10, 2005

Sharon Waxman of the NYT tells us that Hollywood is worried about the recent decline of box office sales:

Now Hollywood is starting to get worried.

The poor box-office performance last weekend of the first major film of the summer, "Kingdom of Heaven," released by 20th Century Fox, made for 11 weeks in a row of declining movie attendance and revenue compared with last year, adding up to the longest slump since 2000 and raising an uncomfortable question: Are people turning away from lackluster movies, or turning their backs on the whole business of going to theaters?

I'd go with the "lackluster movies" choice. From what I've read, "Kingdom of Heaven" is one heck of a revisionist history dud. Ridley Scott, apparently, felt it necessary to tell the story of the Crusades from a point of view that favors the Muslim version instead of the Christian version (or just the historic version).

Not a smart business move in today's political atmosphere, but it should do well when released in the Middle East. One reviewer even noted that it would appear that "Kingdom of Heaven" is Scott's attempt at attonement for "Black Hawk Down" from which he caught a lot of grief from Muslims. One critic (Jonathan Riley-Smith)labeled it the "Osama bin Laden version of history".

James Pinkerton at Newsday said:

Scott can make any kind of movie he wants, of course, but in the middle of a war in the Middle East, he might have been wise to make his tale more fair and balanced.

But more importantly, I think Tom Neven gets to the heart of this film's problem:

Neven lamented that "distinctly 21st century views on religion" had been imposed on the film. Thus much of the historical-religious context of the film was leached away. As Neven explained of the Christian and Muslim combatants, "as for the distinctiveness of their respective faiths, you'd never know what they were fighting about."

That point brings us to a good discussion in the Pinkerton review about revisionist history and the 'good/evil' dichotomy in movies:

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That was a big mistake, commercially as well as historically. By contrast, the three "Lord of the Rings" movies were huge successes, because they presented a sharp moral worldview, of good pitted against evil. Gandalf and the Hobbits vs. Sauron and the Orcs: You knew which side you were on. Yes, the "Rings" villains sometimes possessed a dangerous dark-side appeal, but the trilogy kept a distinct moral voice that audiences appreciated-indeed, yearned for.

It's easy to preserve the good-evil dichotomy in a work of complete fantasy such as "Rings." The task gets tougher when real historical events are being envisioned, and revisioned. Once upon a time, Hollywood could blithely make cowboys-and-Indians movies in which white people massacred red people, as audiences - white ones, at least - cheered.

But then came a revised history, and the general sense that Native Americans were the victims, not the enemy. That historical wheel had turned completely by 1970, when Hollywood released "Little Big Man," in which the red men were saintly, while the whites were either comical, or, in the case of Gen. George Custer, genocidal.

A similar process has been at work in regard to U.S.-Mexican history. The 1960 version of "The Alamo" starred John Wayne as an unabashedly heroic Davy Crockett. The 2004 "Alamo," on the other hand, so muddled the historical-political backdrop that there was nobody to root for - and so nobody bought a ticket.

Nowadays, historical revisionism and political correctness - and also, maybe, fear of Muslim reprisals - might make it impossible to film an epic in which "good" Christians vanquish "bad" Muslims. In which case, moviemakers will probably have to drop the whole genre, at least for American audiences. So it will be interesting to see how Hollywood handles flicks about the Iraq war.

It will indeed be interesting to see how they handle the Iraq war movies. Hopefully much more truthfully than the cartoons they did about Vietnam.

Anyway, the lesson in all of this? If you want to make an epic, quit revising history and show both sides as they were, warts and all. And quit worrying about offending people. Do you suppose Mel Gibson would have made "The Passion" if he was worried some might be offended?

Last but not least, understand that while, as Pinkerton says, you're entitled to make any kind of movie you care to make, we, the movie going public are free to reject any movie you make for any reason. One of those reasons might be we're just not interested in Hollywood's politically correct version of history.


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To: RoseofTexas

Could right wingers start a new Hollywood?...or would it be like Air America? I think so given a few bucks and the right combination of people. Isn't it sad, this Civil War of Politics?


101 posted on 05/10/2005 11:48:32 AM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: GulliverSwift
Scott's attempt at attonement for "Black Hawk Down" from which he caught a lot of grief from Muslims.

Huh? What for?

102 posted on 05/10/2005 11:49:29 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: katana

Well said.


103 posted on 05/10/2005 11:51:22 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: nmh
Did they really believe that people would flock to see this crap?

I guess they figured Michael Moore had cornered the market on revisionism, and ran after the cash cow (pun intended). Too bad for Hollywood the election got in the way, eh?

104 posted on 05/10/2005 11:55:44 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: Ichneumon
Scott's attempt at attonement for "Black Hawk Down" from which he caught a lot of grief from Muslims.

Huh? What for?

Muslims are a protected species! Didn't you get the memo? ;-)

105 posted on 05/10/2005 11:58:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (If this isn't the End Times it certainly is a reasonable facsimile...)
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To: GulliverSwift

Glad box office receipts are down. Unfortunately, in today's climate it's harder to lose money than you might think. By the time it's screened worldwide, and released on DVD, the studios often recoup a lot of what the lost at the box office. Hopefully, this time they'll lose their shirts!


106 posted on 05/10/2005 11:58:30 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: GulliverSwift

Chickens coming home to roost, thank goodness.


107 posted on 05/10/2005 12:02:33 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Question Liberal Authority

It also may be connected to the fact that "Tail-gunner" Joe McCarthy was correct when he accused Hollywood of being infested with communists and their fellow travelers. They're still there but now instead of influenceing what's made there they run the almost the entire place.


108 posted on 05/10/2005 12:11:19 PM PDT by fella
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To: GulliverSwift
Hollywood movies seen in foreign theaters does more to influence how the world views us than any thing we do.

Hollywood of the sixty's and beyond have done harm how people view us.

I have had locals come up to me and point out how racists Americans are.

I ask why do you say that and they say well in Mississippi Burning so and so did this or that to black people.

They also don't like all the homosexuality found in American films.

Films of the thirties seemed to be all about Catholic families and now it is all about Jewish traditions.

Hollywood has completely abandoned the Protestant point of view.
109 posted on 05/10/2005 12:22:37 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Sprite518
I did purchase Star Wars tickets for the midnight showing on May 19th. Lucas is a Conservative. So that is a safe bet.

He is? I never heard that before...though I never heard that he wasn't.

I just know that Amidulla (Portman) is a big flaming Kerry supportin' liberal, as is Pepper Spray Windu (Samuel L. Jackson).

Where are you going to see it? I will be in El Segundo, CA, though I wanted to go to the 1000+ seater in Westwood, CA, or to the Chinese (where Ep. 4 opened 28 years ago). Wherever you see it, enjoy.

110 posted on 05/10/2005 12:25:10 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (Prayers for Laura Ingraham and her family as she is treated for breast cancer. 5-4-05)
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To: dfwgator
My sentiments also.

I canceled my movie package with Time Warner Cable keeping only the basic package.

I like when movie channels edit out the filthy language so my small children can watch along with me.

Besides, the B movies of the 30's and 40's far out distance those called first run today.

The actors of the 30's and 40's seemed to have more charisma.
111 posted on 05/10/2005 12:29:11 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
You hit the old nail on the head.

Read my post concerning theses same sentiments.
112 posted on 05/10/2005 12:31:04 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: FreedomFarmer
El Cid was a classic movie.

Another would be a Mel Gibson-directed epic of Charles Martel and the Battle of Tours (732 AD). In the style of "Braveheart."

All the elements of a true classic: one of the most decisive battles in history; outnumbered infantry standing fast and defeating heavily armored Muslim cavalry, as they tried to invade northward from Spain to France.

A good historical reminder for the EU. And, the origin of that French baked good, the "croissant" (crescent roll). Eating the Islamic enemy.
113 posted on 05/10/2005 12:39:38 PM PDT by CDB
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To: Antoninus
Antoninus wrote:
But I gave Gladiator a pass because it was superbly acted and written, and the special effects were top-notch.

I watched a subtitled Gladiator in a packed foreign movie house.

At several points the audience was up out of their seats yelling agreement.

The movie got a standing ovation when it finished.

I liked the movie because it was not anti-American and full of expletives.
114 posted on 05/10/2005 12:47:11 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

How much is a regular movie ticket?
Last time I went to see a MATINEE it was $6 !!

Rising prices + crappy movies


115 posted on 05/10/2005 12:58:12 PM PDT by traumer
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To: agooga

Well unless the articles I have read on him were flat out wrong. Where did you read he was a lib? I agree with you on the previous two Star Wars.


116 posted on 05/10/2005 1:00:59 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: karnage
They also only socialize and interact with each other, which leads to insularity and reinforcement of skewed worldviews.

That's a danger in any group - including conservatives.

117 posted on 05/10/2005 1:06:11 PM PDT by Terabitten (I have a duty as an AMERICAN, not a Republican. We can never put Party above Nation.)
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To: GulliverSwift

The only movies I've seen in the theater since 9/11 are the three Lord of the Rings movies and the second Star Wars movie (which stunk).

And I love movies--used to watch at least 2 a month in the theaters.


118 posted on 05/10/2005 1:08:01 PM PDT by Betis70 (It's all fun and games till someone gets impaled with a Javelin)
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To: VegasCowboy

For one thing, the Emperor did not get killed in a gladiator duel. Also, the opening battle scene was waaay wrong. Roman soldiers did not fight in free-form melees. They were very disciplined, fighting shield-to-shield, stabbing at the enemies in front of the guy to their right, mowing them down like a weed-whacker.


119 posted on 05/10/2005 1:09:56 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Christian4Bush
Here is a quote from George Lucas I read on the net.

Are you a Democrat or Republican? Who did you vote for?

George Lucas: Neither major party represents my interests. I believe they should abolish all taxes so that people can enjoy their wealth. The taxes I have to pay are intolerable. We might as well be living under a Communist regime. I didn’t vote this time around.



http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/lucas/archive/1/3.html
120 posted on 05/10/2005 1:40:09 PM PDT by Sprite518
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