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Hollywood worried, "Kingdom of Heaven" a dud
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Posted on 05/10/2005 10:08:55 AM PDT by GulliverSwift

Hollywood worried, "Kingdom" a dud Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, May 10, 2005

Sharon Waxman of the NYT tells us that Hollywood is worried about the recent decline of box office sales:

Now Hollywood is starting to get worried.

The poor box-office performance last weekend of the first major film of the summer, "Kingdom of Heaven," released by 20th Century Fox, made for 11 weeks in a row of declining movie attendance and revenue compared with last year, adding up to the longest slump since 2000 and raising an uncomfortable question: Are people turning away from lackluster movies, or turning their backs on the whole business of going to theaters?

I'd go with the "lackluster movies" choice. From what I've read, "Kingdom of Heaven" is one heck of a revisionist history dud. Ridley Scott, apparently, felt it necessary to tell the story of the Crusades from a point of view that favors the Muslim version instead of the Christian version (or just the historic version).

Not a smart business move in today's political atmosphere, but it should do well when released in the Middle East. One reviewer even noted that it would appear that "Kingdom of Heaven" is Scott's attempt at attonement for "Black Hawk Down" from which he caught a lot of grief from Muslims. One critic (Jonathan Riley-Smith)labeled it the "Osama bin Laden version of history".

James Pinkerton at Newsday said:

Scott can make any kind of movie he wants, of course, but in the middle of a war in the Middle East, he might have been wise to make his tale more fair and balanced.

But more importantly, I think Tom Neven gets to the heart of this film's problem:

Neven lamented that "distinctly 21st century views on religion" had been imposed on the film. Thus much of the historical-religious context of the film was leached away. As Neven explained of the Christian and Muslim combatants, "as for the distinctiveness of their respective faiths, you'd never know what they were fighting about."

That point brings us to a good discussion in the Pinkerton review about revisionist history and the 'good/evil' dichotomy in movies:

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That was a big mistake, commercially as well as historically. By contrast, the three "Lord of the Rings" movies were huge successes, because they presented a sharp moral worldview, of good pitted against evil. Gandalf and the Hobbits vs. Sauron and the Orcs: You knew which side you were on. Yes, the "Rings" villains sometimes possessed a dangerous dark-side appeal, but the trilogy kept a distinct moral voice that audiences appreciated-indeed, yearned for.

It's easy to preserve the good-evil dichotomy in a work of complete fantasy such as "Rings." The task gets tougher when real historical events are being envisioned, and revisioned. Once upon a time, Hollywood could blithely make cowboys-and-Indians movies in which white people massacred red people, as audiences - white ones, at least - cheered.

But then came a revised history, and the general sense that Native Americans were the victims, not the enemy. That historical wheel had turned completely by 1970, when Hollywood released "Little Big Man," in which the red men were saintly, while the whites were either comical, or, in the case of Gen. George Custer, genocidal.

A similar process has been at work in regard to U.S.-Mexican history. The 1960 version of "The Alamo" starred John Wayne as an unabashedly heroic Davy Crockett. The 2004 "Alamo," on the other hand, so muddled the historical-political backdrop that there was nobody to root for - and so nobody bought a ticket.

Nowadays, historical revisionism and political correctness - and also, maybe, fear of Muslim reprisals - might make it impossible to film an epic in which "good" Christians vanquish "bad" Muslims. In which case, moviemakers will probably have to drop the whole genre, at least for American audiences. So it will be interesting to see how Hollywood handles flicks about the Iraq war.

It will indeed be interesting to see how they handle the Iraq war movies. Hopefully much more truthfully than the cartoons they did about Vietnam.

Anyway, the lesson in all of this? If you want to make an epic, quit revising history and show both sides as they were, warts and all. And quit worrying about offending people. Do you suppose Mel Gibson would have made "The Passion" if he was worried some might be offended?

Last but not least, understand that while, as Pinkerton says, you're entitled to make any kind of movie you care to make, we, the movie going public are free to reject any movie you make for any reason. One of those reasons might be we're just not interested in Hollywood's politically correct version of history.


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The hollyweird people are never going to get it. It's just like "Alexandar the Fabulous." The people who like violent war movies are not the same people who like p.c. trash. They are going to continue to blow off hundreds of millions of dollars until they realize it.
1 posted on 05/10/2005 10:08:55 AM PDT by GulliverSwift
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To: GulliverSwift

Let 'em blow their money. It goes to hard-working capitalists who built their sets and edited their movie.


2 posted on 05/10/2005 10:10:29 AM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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"the story of the Crusades from a point of view that favors the Muslim version instead of the Christian version."


GOOD GRIEF!

Did they really believe that people would flock to see this crap?


3 posted on 05/10/2005 10:11:04 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TeenagedConservative

and to spoiled overpaid liberal actors.


4 posted on 05/10/2005 10:11:52 AM PDT by GulliverSwift (Just say no to McCain and Giulliani)
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But they already have so much money that it makes no difference whether their films fail or not.


5 posted on 05/10/2005 10:12:46 AM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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No, movie companies have actually gone broke over poor, wasteful movies. Their profit margins are actually pretty slim, except for the big blockbuster hits.


6 posted on 05/10/2005 10:14:49 AM PDT by GulliverSwift (Just say no to McCain and Giulliani)
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Political correctness has completely displaced intelligent film making. We're not likely ever to see the likes of "Lawrence of Arabia" again.


7 posted on 05/10/2005 10:14:58 AM PDT by Spok (Everything I know about intolerance I learned from a liberal.)
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To: GulliverSwift

Does anyone besides me suspect that mainstream Hollywood is just a money laundry for the porn industry?


8 posted on 05/10/2005 10:15:10 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: nmh

I could see a good movie that portrays both sides in heroic and unheroic lights. But how stupid is it to favor the moslems when we are at war with Islamic terrorists and people's kids, dads, husbands are dying in the Middle East? Liberals are very sick people and many times they don't care if the movie bombs, they would never want to make anything but left wing crap.


9 posted on 05/10/2005 10:15:14 AM PDT by Williams
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I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that so many of these movie stars, directors, and producers were so rabidly anti-Bush during the last election campaign.


10 posted on 05/10/2005 10:15:28 AM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the Rats in terror before me.)
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I loved Gladiator. What I don't get is how can these producers not know that when we see such a movie, we want good guys and bad guys, and someone to identify with. What we don't want is wishy-washy views on religion and no identifiable heroes or villains.

It isn't hard for me to understand. Why is hard for Hollywood?
11 posted on 05/10/2005 10:16:24 AM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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***It goes to hard-working capitalists who built their sets and edited their movie.***

I'm afraid many of those who work in the film business are "infected".

It's a career advancement thing.
12 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:21 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: GulliverSwift
If Hollywood were a serious business, they would make the pendulum swing in the opposite direction:

Movies promoting homosexuality, anti-Christian, pro-Communism views aren't selling? Okay! Okay! We'll make movies about how unhappy homosexuals are, how a Christian world-view promotes happiness, and how Communism has destroyed millions of lives. Maybe those movies will sell better. Let's wait and see...

But, of course, Hollywood is not an actual business enterprise, and so you won't see those movies get made. Hollywood is an agenda-driven propaganda machine. They won't change the kind of movies they make. But the movies will get smaller.

13 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Hollywood is like the dumb blonde. "I, like, don't get it."


14 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:30 AM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: Spok

This was a complete flush of investor money...I doubt that anyone gets more than what they put into the money...if they are lucky. You have to laugh about the expectations on this movie...the public isn't into mid-ages crusades...and since this didn't have Tom Cruise...most folks aren't going to waste their money on a joke.


15 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:40 AM PDT by pepsionice
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When they lose enough money they may figure it out. Or the new producers and studios that replace them will.


16 posted on 05/10/2005 10:17:55 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: GulliverSwift
Are people turning away from lackluster movies, or turning their backs on the whole business of going to theaters?

Ask me that same question when I'm waiting in line to see Revenge of the Sith.

17 posted on 05/10/2005 10:20:22 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (BUSH KNEW!!! ...that democracy would take hold in the Middle East)
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To: pepsionice

I'm still conflicted about seeing this. I think I'll buy a ticket to another movie then sneak into the 'Kingdom' auditorium.


18 posted on 05/10/2005 10:22:25 AM PDT by Spok (Everything I know about intolerance I learned from a liberal.)
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I did purchase Star Wars tickets for the midnight showing on May 19th. Lucas is a Conservative. So that is a safe bet.
19 posted on 05/10/2005 10:22:31 AM PDT by Sprite518
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Do you suppose Mel Gibson would have made "The Passion" if he was worried some might be offended?

Gotta give Mel a lot of credit for putting his own money and reputation on the line, and yes, a lot of people were offended, calling him anti-Semitic and much worse. Ridley Scott on the other hand has made a film which tries not to offend anyone and as a result is a bomb (no, I have not seen it. I think he did an excellent job with Black Hawk Down.)

20 posted on 05/10/2005 10:22:41 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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