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1 posted on 05/09/2005 9:18:36 PM PDT by seastay
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Batman


2 posted on 05/09/2005 9:20:34 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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I'd bet 2/3 of them are here illegally from SOTB.


3 posted on 05/09/2005 9:21:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Delenda est Liberalism!)
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Ooh Ooh Ooh!!!

I have the answer!!!

Make it harder for law-abiding citizens to own firearms. That'll stop the baddies in their tracks.

DC sucks.


4 posted on 05/09/2005 9:21:59 PM PDT by msf92497 (THIS SPACE FOR RENT)
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Do an adult crime - do adult time.


5 posted on 05/09/2005 9:23:04 PM PDT by AZHua87 (Insurgent BloggerVet!)
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"In Virginia recently, gang victims have been hacked by machetes and had fingers cut off. Affiliated gangs in Central America are suspected in several recent beheadings of young women."

Guess 'gun control' won't do it now....

6 posted on 05/09/2005 9:24:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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Heaven forbid that we put some poor, confused youth in prison for a little juvenile indiscretion like beheading someone with a machete. Some kids soap the neighbor's windows, some decapitate them. It's just a cry for help. (Trying to react like a liberal.)


7 posted on 05/09/2005 9:27:23 PM PDT by speedy
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declare open season on all known gang members and throw in a $500 bounty for fun and the problem will disappear in a couple weeks


8 posted on 05/09/2005 9:27:29 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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well WELL! , the National Council of La Raza knows better,HUH?? All the usual suspects are doing their best obstruction dance ,... anything normal,decent folks need is opposed by these anti-American groups


11 posted on 05/09/2005 9:33:03 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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Sounds like a good time for a nation-wide CCW permit so that honest citizens can at least protect themselves.


13 posted on 05/09/2005 9:36:42 PM PDT by NY Attitude
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Close the borders
deport the aliens
problem solved
14 posted on 05/09/2005 9:38:03 PM PDT by clamper1797 (To say that there is no difference between a liberal and a jackass ... wrongs the jackass)
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Hmmm, I see the solution to a possible labor shortage if the borders are closed. :) But that would be wrong, making poor children work in the fields. They might actually learn something.


16 posted on 05/09/2005 9:39:09 PM PDT by Rane _H
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Street gangs have grown to about 750,000, but "Critics say the sentencing provisions could require an additional 24,000 prison beds over the next decade".
17 posted on 05/09/2005 9:42:26 PM PDT by umgud (FR, NASCAR, NRA, GOP)
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Another Government-issue band-aid on the cancer of unsecured borders and unenforced immigration laws. How many more Americans must die until something gets done?


18 posted on 05/09/2005 9:43:48 PM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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A classic example of 'problem-reaction-solution'.

The gov't creates the problem by adopting an open border policy.

They manipulate the reaction (fear).

And propose a solution, which is more laws and a more centralized state.

19 posted on 05/09/2005 9:47:09 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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21 posted on 05/09/2005 9:51:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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Note/mark


23 posted on 05/09/2005 9:52:38 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (Property tax is eternal rent. You can never own your own land. Why?)
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25 posted on 05/09/2005 10:06:37 PM PDT by Cindy
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Gang members stock up on weapons to patrol the neighborhood. Guns and protecting their neighborhood from rival gangs are big parts of gang culture. http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/gangs/photo_01.html
26 posted on 05/09/2005 10:06:49 PM PDT by seastay
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The bill's opponents include some conservatives who question the concept of federalizing law enforcement tasks traditionally handled by states.

MS-13 (and to some extent, gangs like the bloods, crips, etc) are not local regional street gangs.

This isn't dueces or aces or some crap.

They are national interstate crime syndicates.

They operate across state and even national (see southwest border) boundries.

They form networks and cells, and operate out of a command structure that, will require a multi-pronged joint law enforcement effort.

Sealing the borders or at least doing something there would be an easy first step.

These guys are rapidly escalating in complexities and financial operations with predominatly violent crimes as well as having absolutly no qualms or criteria of who they would work with.

In other words, don't be surprised if these are the kinds of guys who would try to sneak terrorists over the borders, or arm them.

Its absurd to think that states or local municipalities are supposed to be equipped to handle national organizations with multiple bases of operation.

Without going into details, there is at least one major MC gang thats known to do both surveilance and counter surveilance on law enforcement authorities, if these street gangs are going to or already are, then we've got a snowball thats already turning into an avalanche.

28 posted on 05/09/2005 10:16:03 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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"We too want to do something about gang violence," said Angela Arboleda of the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic civil rights organization. "But punitive measures that lock up youths with adults is not a smart approach."

La Raza is a BIG part of the problem. Our Congress better grow a spine and close the borders and start deporting ALL illegals and we'll get rid of the biggest part of the problem.

32 posted on 05/09/2005 10:25:42 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ..)
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