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Parents taking issue with forfeits when boys don't join girls on mat
The Seattle Times ^ | May 8, 2005 | Linda Shaw

Posted on 05/09/2005 12:33:59 AM PDT by beaversmom

Edited on 05/09/2005 12:42:57 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Girls who wrestled for several Puget Sound-area middle schools this year easily won their matches against boys from two private schools.

The girls stepped onto the mat. Their opponents from Tacoma Baptist and Cascade Christian stayed in their seats. The referee then raised the girls' hands to signal they'd won by forfeit.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: girlswrestling; intergenderwrestling; intersexwrestling; sports; wrestling
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To: Tungenchek

Just wondering if this school only allows boys to dance with boys and girls to dance with girls.

Most likely that the Christian school does not permit dancing.


61 posted on 05/09/2005 5:52:19 AM PDT by mlmr (The Culture of Death will get a lot more deadly before it's done.)
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To: beaversmom

The boys have more respect for his daughter than the Episcopal priest does.


62 posted on 05/09/2005 5:55:59 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: beaversmom

Mr. Connor's asinine desires notwithstanding, the forfeits are the only sanctions that can be imposed on these two schools. They can't be forced into making a boy wrestle if he declines to do so for whatever reason. But I'm confident an accomodating Judge will be found to order them to do exactly that. Oh sweet backlash, when are you coming?


63 posted on 05/09/2005 6:19:53 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: OKIEDOC; ambrose
"This guy is obviously looking for 15 minutes of cable news fame. . . .He also obviously does not have a lick of common sense."

The diagnosis is . . .he is a Liberal; the prognosis is. . .it is a chronic condition. . .outlook bleak; for the rest of us, that is.

64 posted on 05/09/2005 6:21:23 AM PDT by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: Jeff Gordon
There are "other" embarrassments that could grow out of this besides being beaten by girls. Boys will be boys.
65 posted on 05/09/2005 6:38:27 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

LOL I never thought of that.


66 posted on 05/09/2005 6:46:11 AM PDT by Bostton1 (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns have!)
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To: beaversmom

This is not about sex discrimination it is about religious freedom. Does a private Christian school have to suspend its belief that boy-girl wrestling is inmodest and a possible temptation to sexual sin in order to participate in an event in which they are recognized league members? Especially when that league allows forfeits for " any reason". The fact that these boys forfeit does not forbid the girls from wrestling- it only keeps her from wrestling these boys. How can such a narrow application be considered discrimination? Those people who live their faith should not have to treat their beliefs like some mad uncle which they must keep locked away for the safety of the common good. We have freedom of religion not FROM RELIGION.


67 posted on 05/09/2005 7:14:14 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: beaversmom

This is not about sex discrimination it is about religious freedom. Does a private Christian school have to suspend its belief that boy-girl wrestling is inmodest and a possible temptation to sexual sin in order to participate in an event in which they are recognized league members? Especially when that league allows forfeits for " any reason". The fact that these boys forfeit does not forbid the girls from wrestling- it only keeps her from wrestling these boys. How can such a narrow application be considered discrimination? Those people who live their faith should not have to treat their beliefs like some mad uncle which they must keep locked away for the safety of the common good. We have freedom of religion not FROM RELIGION.


68 posted on 05/09/2005 7:14:44 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: beaversmom
Connors, however, believes the forfeit rule shouldn't be used to discriminate against girls, including his daughter,

Connors, a former Episcopal president and one-time pastoral assistant for social justice at St. James Cathedral in Seattle, believes religion should play a role in public life. "But there's a limit," he said.

So we have a pervert supporter (episcopalian "social justice" type) demanding that Christian boys grope his daughter in public.

Why does this not surprise me?

Meaghan Connors didn't have to endure any forfeits herself this year. ... She told her father she felt degraded, like an "object of lust."

Young girl wants to roll around on a padded floor groping and being groped by the boys and she complains about being an object of lust? Is this what passes for intelligence in liberal land?

69 posted on 05/09/2005 7:38:51 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Labyrinthos
>I think that's the real issue. No junior high school boy wants to lose to a girl and at that age.<

Until the middle of the 7th grade girls will consistently beat the boys because they are usually bigger and faster.My daughter and her friends would always beat the boys in play ground basketball.I thought this was great as I puffed out my chest and gloated about my daughters ability. A wise 7th grade teacher limited them to shooting games.She explained to me that the boys were just starting to mature and the bumping up against the girls in pick-up games was confusing to them as they were starting to sort out the physical reactions their bodies were having.To this day I believe this was the best teacher my daughter and I ever had.
70 posted on 05/09/2005 7:47:06 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: Windcatcher
I wouldn't wrestle a girl in a meet. I'd quit first. I'd be too worried about the accidental liability: "HE TOUCHED ME *THERE*! SEXUAL ASSAULT!" No thanks.

That is the exact core of the problem.

71 posted on 05/09/2005 8:00:15 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: MarkL; grellis

I had to deal with it first when my then-16-or17yob started in Karate. He had to spar some girls, wrestle, the whole nine. He and I both had qualms about it -- more from the perspective of the "beating up on a girl" deal. Now that I too have started karate, I've had to deal with the same issue PLUS that of "beating up on kids," since the closest to my height sometimes are 12, 15 years old. (Although in all truthfulness, at this point in my development, I'm far more often the beat-ee and the beat-er!)

The way we've both made peace with it is this: one purpose of the class is to teach these girls, these kids, to defend themselves. If all they spar is girls, or guys who hold back, they will in NO way be prepared for a real-life experience. Girls and kids aren't attacked by nice men who give them a pass.

So I'd be lying to you if I said I take any satisfaction in jabbing a girl, or seeing a kid backing away from me with an alarmed look on his face. But before God, if I learn one day that ONE girl/kid was able to hold his/her own with some miserable adult attacker in some degree because I'd given him/her an opportunity, in a safe and controlled environment, to face his/her fears and learn to defend himself/herself -- I'll be a very happy man.

Dan


72 posted on 05/09/2005 8:12:00 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: beaversmom
"does not want to put our young men in a situation where they would be inappropriately touching a young lady."

"Ladies" don't wrestle.

73 posted on 05/09/2005 8:22:54 AM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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To: beaversmom
Connors, a former Episcopal president and one-time pastoral assistant for social justice at St. James Cathedral in Seattle...

Translate: "just another pig Neo-Stalinist disguised with a collar.."

74 posted on 05/09/2005 8:25:37 AM PDT by martin gibson
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To: Tungenchek
Having been a wrestler myself in school the only possible fear I might have had of wrestling a girl would have been being bested by her.

I had a similar thought. Wrestling a girl who's your size is no trivial matter. She may not have your upper body strength, but she may have stronger legs than you. She's also balanced differently; she has a lower center of gravity. She's also done more wrestling with boys that you have with girls. A boy facing a girl for the first time could be at a serious disadvantage.

75 posted on 05/09/2005 8:34:40 AM PDT by Redcloak (Over 16,000 served.)
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To: beaversmom

"It has been a co-ed sport in large part because too few girls participate to have their own leagues."

Why don't they countersue for the girls failing to sign up to wrestle in their own league? Isn't that equally discriminatory?


76 posted on 05/09/2005 8:36:56 AM PDT by dervish (Let Europe pay for NATO)
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To: endthematrix

either way, the boys lose. If they win the match, then then beat up a girl. If they lose the match, then they lost to a girl.


77 posted on 05/09/2005 8:38:05 AM PDT by tarawa
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To: coconutt2000

I fail to see the "discrimination" in this case.

The girls on being told they are not allowed to wrestle boys, it's just 2 schools are not allowing their boys to fight girls. Big deal. Take the easy win and walk away. Quit whining.


78 posted on 05/09/2005 8:39:19 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: xsrdx
Maybe they don't want to be seen getting up off the mat in a wrestling singlet with a woody.

Pretty good reason, if you ask me.

79 posted on 05/09/2005 8:41:33 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: cajun-jack

"wait till the girls are 15 and start dating...they will have ample opportunity to wrestle with boys....albeit in the back seat"

They'll call it vocational training for a later career involving mud, bikinis, drunken spectators,


80 posted on 05/09/2005 8:50:30 AM PDT by investigateworld ( God bless Poland for giving the world JP II & a Protestant bump for his Sainthood!)
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