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there shouldn't be any problems with a scholarly study of ancient Christian and Jewish writings. This is a study of Christian/Jewish cultures .....
1 posted on 05/08/2005 8:05:34 AM PDT by rface
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When I was in public school in the 1950's we had voluntary religious education. The class visited local churches, temples and religious schools where one of their personnel gave a lecture on some aspect of that denomination's beliefs, rituals, etc. It was presented strictly as information -- no discussion, role playing or asking us how we "felt" about our and other people's religions. This was without a doubt one of the most useful and informative classes I ever took in secondary school. I learned a lot and have often been able to amaze my friends by knowing more about their religions than they do.


2 posted on 05/08/2005 8:13:46 AM PDT by joylyn
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It's the public skoolz, I would be afraid they would screw it up.

Example: the scholarship coming out at the university level on the origins of the New Testament where "scholars" try to divine (no pun intended) the exact words of Jesus based on what little real evidence we have. How can they say definitively? And this is at the university level, not high school.


3 posted on 05/08/2005 8:17:53 AM PDT by Felis_irritable
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Vouchers: the only solution.


4 posted on 05/08/2005 8:20:16 AM PDT by Brilliant
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It's an elective course, for crying out loud.

"They'll ask her why 'your people' killed Jesus. Or if she knows that Jesus is her savior," Newman said.

I don't believe him, because in all my Southern life I have never heard anyone use the 'Christ-killer' term except Jewish Americans claiming to be persecuted. Never in any private church group or non-Jewish conservations have I ever heard that term.

It's possible that some misguided soul asked her about Jesus, but it's no problem to say, "I'm Jewish, why don't we talk about Moses or David instead? Wanna go to synagogue with me?" She might be amazed just how interested her classmates would be to attend as guests a Jewish service. I like visiting synagogues, the rabbis sound so much like Protestant pastors when they get into fund-raising and all that.:)

6 posted on 05/08/2005 8:25:53 AM PDT by xJones
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"There's an awful lot of people in this town convinced that they're going to get Jesus taught in the classroom, a tool for evangelism. And that concerns people like me," said David Newman, an English professor at Odessa College

Yeah, sure, Newman (/Seinfeld).
Let's hear from you first about all the MANDATORY "multi-cultural" (ie., anti-American culture) and "tolerance" (ie., Kevin has two daddies) and condom-on-the-banana classes that are infecting the government schools and THEN somebody might give a rat's behind that you don't like ELECTIVE classes that might discuss decency, morality, and faith.

13 posted on 05/08/2005 8:59:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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"There's an awful lot of people in this town convinced that they're going to get Jesus taught in the classroom, a tool for evangelism. And that concerns people like me," said David Newman, an English professor at Odessa College...

I'll bet it does, Mr. College English Perfesser.

Lemme see if I've got this straight...

Publik skolz can teach mandatory sex education (with empasis on "alternative" sexual lifestyles) to second graders and this is not proselytizing, but shouldn't offer an elective Bible study (light on theology, heavy on culture and art) to high schoolers because it is proselytizing?

On which side do I get off of this sinking ship, the far left or the even farther left?

14 posted on 05/08/2005 9:01:54 AM PDT by Gritty ("The moral and intellectual pretense of the American liberal is a thing to marvel upon-RE Tyrrell,Jr)
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George Will wrote recently that if all the atheists got together in one state it would be second only to California.
I can understand why California doesn't want the bible read
in public schools would disrupt the doings in Sodom(oops
Freudian slip- I meant San Francisco ) and LA ( opps there's
another one es verdad LA is now Mexico del Norte.)And as reminded by an earlier post -it would be cultural education-not unlike teaching the little buggers Islam as
they did Johnny Walker Lindh.


15 posted on 05/08/2005 9:08:09 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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The Monterey Herald is a Communist newspaper...

It is no coincidence Islamist pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law; something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamist thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.


18 posted on 05/08/2005 9:19:29 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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Whatever happened to communities controlling the curriculum?


23 posted on 05/08/2005 9:55:34 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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If the ACLU gets involved there will be a suit filed. Oh, the irony. If a suit is filed, then government is getting involved in church matters. The line of separation gets further eroded.

No court has any right to get involved in any religious matter. After all, that wall that separates does not have a one-way door in the middle to allow The State access to the Church side (or does it? Because if there is it destroys any separation argument because there is no separation after all).
26 posted on 05/08/2005 10:40:46 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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I think public school children should have a basic understanding of the Bible and its contents, because of its historical importance and as an important work of literature that has greatly influenced Western civilization. Proslytizing in the public schools should of course not be allowed. I also think children should be taught some basic points about what all the major religions of humanity teaches. This should be basic knowledge for a cultured and educated citizen.


27 posted on 05/08/2005 11:19:35 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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When I attended the University of Washington in the 1970s, I took a course called the "History of Christianity." It was taught by Professor Treadgold, the then Chariman of the History Department.

At our first class session, he announced that this was a course on the HISTORY of Christianity and that, other than for a session or two at the beginning of the course on the theology of the faith (necessary so that you would understand the basis for events that followed), it would concentrate on the religion as a historical pheonomena.
He invited those who had wanted something else to come down to the front and get their withdrawal cards signed. About half a dozen students did.

We then spent the remainder of the term examining Christianity as implemented through the centuries, warts and all. Other than Professsor Treadgold's annoying habit of putting up quotations in various languages (Latin, Greek, French, German, and Chinese) on the overhead projector and providing no translation, it was some of the best instruction I have ever received.

If this curricula follows the same path as my college course, it would greatly benefit Christians and non-Christians to know more about the faith as a historical influence. The same, of course, can be said for other major religions as well.


28 posted on 05/08/2005 11:45:07 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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Would one of the advocates for the Separation of Church and State position please show me where the "line" is drawn.


31 posted on 05/08/2005 2:16:03 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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They had best learn to fear God instead of government...


36 posted on 05/08/2005 2:40:29 PM PDT by Luke (CPO, USCG (Ret))
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Does that mean they can't teach any government courses?


40 posted on 05/08/2005 2:53:05 PM PDT by airborne (Dear Lord, please be with my family in Iraq. Keep them close to You and safely in Your arms.)
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People For The American OUR Way

Untruth in advertising should be outlawed. Wait a minute, I think it is already.

43 posted on 05/08/2005 3:30:51 PM PDT by auboy
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