Posted on 05/08/2005 4:42:36 AM PDT by Cornpone
Pakistani officials say they are "deeply dismayed" over reports that the Koran was desecrated at the US detention facility in Guantanamo Bay. The latest edition of the American Newsweek magazine said such tactics were used to rattle suspects.
It says that US personnel on one occasion flushed a copy of Islam's most holy book "down the toilet".
Pakistan, a conservative Muslim nation, is also a key US ally in its war against terrorism.
'Highly objectionable'
Pakistani foreign office spokesman, Jalil Abbas Jilani, told the AFP news agency Pakistan was also concerned about "the highly objectionable and regrettable treatment meted out to the detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detention centre".
Mr Jilani said the reported act of sacrilege had shocked people of every faith around the world.
"The government of Pakistan condemns the incident and demands that an inquiry should be conducted to bring to justice the perpetrators of this shameful act," he said.
Insulting the Koran and Islam's Prophet Mohammed is regarded as blasphemy and punishable by death in Pakistan.
In an interview last week with the BBC's Haroon Rashid, Abdul Rahim Muslim Dost, an Afghan prisoner recently released from the Cuban detention centre, said a number of Arab prisoners had still not spoken to their investigators after three years to protest at the desecration of the Koran by guards.
Mr Dost also said inmates' beards were shaved and the prisoners were shouted at during interrogations.
The US is holding about 520 inmates at Guantanamo Bay, many of them al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects captured in Pakistan and Afghanistan following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.
HOW MANY MUSLIMS should CHRISTIANS Kill to "Even the Score" over Countless Insults to Christianity (Palestinians using the Bible for Toilet Paper while they occupied "The Church of the Nativity!")
Short of a "Cultural Jihad," there is Now, NO WAY to "Even the Score!!"
Adherents of "Islam" have perpetrated FAR MORE INSULTS on Christians, than ANY NUMBER of Christians have EVER insulted "Muslims!"
The "Adherents of 'Islam'" have MUCH to learn about "Modern Times;" & They are WAY BEYOND Their NEED to understand Their TRUE PLACE in the International Community.
"In the Grand Scheme of Things," "Islam" is NOT the most important problem!
There are OTHER "HOT SPOTS" in our world requiring FAR MORE ATTENTION than the "Whining adherents of Islam!"
SORRY, GUYS;--"Islam will NEVER,"CONQUER THE WORLD;" "ISLAM" will FOREVER be a "second-rate Religion,"--whose Adherents are Pitied due to their Ignorance of Current Events.
Putting your vapid arguments aside, let me please ask you the following questions.
Why are there no churches in Saudi Arabia?
Why have over 200,000 Christians and Animists been murdered and over 500,000 been driven from their homes by Arab Muslims in Sudan?
Why do Arab Muslims in the Sudan, Mauritania and Tunisia continue to traffic in non-Muslim slavery?
Why were over 300 school children murdered by Muslims in Beslan?
Why were over 200 natives and Western holiday makers murdered in Bali by Muslims?
Why do Egyptian Muslims murder Coptic Christians and refuse them to repair or build churches?
Why were over 5,000 Christians murdered and 35,000 made homeless on the islands of Indonesia by Muslims?
Why have numerous Christian churches been bombed in Indonesia by Muslims?
Why were over 2500 Americans and other innocents murdered by Muslims on 11 September 2001?
Why were over 1.5 million Armenian and Greek Christians murdered by Turkish Muslims?
Why doesn't MAS, CAIR, or the mainstream media discuss these facts?
Again, why are there no churches in Saudi Arabia?
Finally, why are you here?
Warmest Regards,
Cornpone
You were doing fine until this sentence, which is idiotic on multiples and in multiple dimensions. You thus expose yourself as a shabby "liberal" relativist.
Just as most Catholics would not agree that drinking the blood of Christ and eating his flesh implies some sort of sick cannibalistic ritual or passages referring to destruction of non-believers means they should start killing people in the streets, most Muslims would not agree similar passages from the Koran imply sanctioned killing or the suicide bombings against innocent people.
Here's where your example falls flat. I don't see anywhere in The Gospels where The Lord is telling me to kill non-believers. However, if you've read the koran, it would be hard to miss the repeated call for muslims to kill non-believers:
Actual Quotes from the Koran: (Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an, the most widely trusted)
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177)
The Prophet killed the men of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza (some 600 to 800 of them) and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims All the other Jews of Medina were exiled. (Bukhari 5:59:362)
The Prophet had the date-palms of the Jewish tribe of Bani-Al- Nadir burnt and cut down. "It was with Allah's permission" (Koran 59:5)
The Prophet said to Sa'd, :The Bani Quraiza have agreed to accept your verdict" Sa'd said, "Kill all their men and take their women and children as slaves" The Prophet replied, "You have judged according to God's Judgment" (Bukhari 5:59:447)
"The Christians say: The Christ is the son of Allah; "Fight against such as those to whom the Scriptures were given [Jews and Christians]...until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued." (Surah 9:29)
These are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them." (Sura 9:30)
"Unbelievers are those who say: 'God is one of three.' There is but one God. If they do not desist from so saying, those of them that disbelieve shall be sternly punished." (Surah 5:73)
islam, the religion of peace…
Owl_Eagle
(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,
A most apt caveat since what is trusted in Islam appears to change daily...CP
The Muslims — mark that well, Muslims — who took over the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in 2002 used pages from the Bible for toilet paper.
The also looted the church of its valuables.
Suck up to the muslims, the best you can expect is that they'll cut your throat last.
99% (guessing, but very close to reality) of all terrorists happen to be Muslim. Or, better put, almost all of them ARE Muslim. Muslims are enemies to practically every other faith on Earth- Christians in the ME, America, Philippines and Europe, Buddhists in Thailand , Hindus in Bali and India, Jews in Israel, Zoroastrians in Iran and India, Shi'as and Sunnis(inter-Islamic terror), the list goes on...
I guess if Islam doesn't undergo serious, severe reform(to the extent of 'editing' the Koran), it is doomed. Mark these words.
Your excessively verbose postings can be boiled down to one sentence:
"Muslims who lived 800 years ago were more civilized than Christians who lived 800 years ago."
Who cares? So what!
That has nothing to do with events here and now.
Christians and Jews have progressed significantly in advancing Western civilization, while the formerly (relatively) civilized Islamic world has descended into barbarism and savagery.
Hoping to impress people here with chapters from the CAIR handbook? We can see right through that.
"Muslims who lived 800 years ago were more civilized than Christians who lived 800 years ago."Exactly... I'm starting to see where Mr_Bovinity is coming from here, and he has not mentioned anything that I have not heard before. It's amazing that he has to reach back so far to try and justify the actions of those who follow MuhamMADS example today.Who cares? So what!
That has nothing to do with events here and now.
That seems to be the crux of one of the issues here... MuhamMAD (Pork Be Upon Him) was a filthy old pervert, a child molester, a rapist, a war mongering, mass murdering slave owning, egomaniac that was hell bent on territorial expansion, and this is the very example that Muslims are supposed to follow and emulate, and many of the islamic "true believers" we are having problems with all over the globe today are doing just that... following his example.
Islam has not gone thru a reformation, or enlightenment like Christianity, and Mr_Bovinity himself cites links to those very Islamic sites who would warn that any change or innovation would be considered Bidah, and warn against it.
Nor does he even note that a cornerstone of Islam is sharia, a bigoted political system based on gender and religious apartheid.
I'm thru with wasting time on apologists if they refuse to see the facts. The moral equivalence argument is not working on me here...
Ach!
This: "...which is idiotic on multiples and in multiple dimensions."
Should be: "...which is idiotic on multiple[ level]s and in multiple dimensions."
You left out my good friends the Assyrians who were also victims of the Ottoman genocide.
Sorry, I also left out the Jews who I dare not mention for obvious reasons; the Druze, Maronite Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Armenian Orthodox, Syrian Catholics, Armenian Catholics, and Roman Catholics of Lebanon; the Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews and Baha'i of Iran; and, so so many others. The problem is the list of persecuted peoples and religions under tolerant Islam exceeds my memory. My apologies to all.
Insulting the Koran and Islam's Prophet Mohammed is regarded as blasphemy and punishable by death in Pakistan.
BUT....it's NOT in the USA, at least not yet.
Why do Muslim Imperialists destabilize Europe for expansion of religious extremism?
Why did Christian nations enslave or indenture millions of Asians up through WWII?
Why do Muslim nations enslave or indenture millions of Asians and Africans at the present day?
Why did Christians displace, uproot and harass Muslims in the Philippines?
Why do Muslims displace, uproot and harass and murder Christians in the Philippines?
Why did the Christian nations allow Japan to massacre the Chinese and Koreans? (and for that matter allow Hitler to slaughter the Jews?)
Christian nations went to war to stop Japan and nazi Germany, whereas the Muslim world supported Hitler.
Why did Christians kidnap, torture and enslave thousands of Blacks?
Why do Muslims kidnap, torture and enslave thousands of Blacks in the Sudan?
Now please go away.
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