"Muslims who lived 800 years ago were more civilized than Christians who lived 800 years ago."Exactly... I'm starting to see where Mr_Bovinity is coming from here, and he has not mentioned anything that I have not heard before. It's amazing that he has to reach back so far to try and justify the actions of those who follow MuhamMADS example today.Who cares? So what!
That has nothing to do with events here and now.
That seems to be the crux of one of the issues here... MuhamMAD (Pork Be Upon Him) was a filthy old pervert, a child molester, a rapist, a war mongering, mass murdering slave owning, egomaniac that was hell bent on territorial expansion, and this is the very example that Muslims are supposed to follow and emulate, and many of the islamic "true believers" we are having problems with all over the globe today are doing just that... following his example.
Islam has not gone thru a reformation, or enlightenment like Christianity, and Mr_Bovinity himself cites links to those very Islamic sites who would warn that any change or innovation would be considered Bidah, and warn against it.
Nor does he even note that a cornerstone of Islam is sharia, a bigoted political system based on gender and religious apartheid.
I'm thru with wasting time on apologists if they refuse to see the facts. The moral equivalence argument is not working on me here...