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COURAGE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE WAS THE MAJOR FORCE THAT DESTROYED NAZISM - PUTIN
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Posted on 05/07/2005 4:37:28 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Lessismore
The Russian people suffered gravely. Let them have their day. What are we supposed to do about this anyway? This is Russia's celebration, on their soil.
To: FreedomCalls
In today's PC world, Communism would be simply viewed as lifestyle choice.
There was a time before in our nation's history when we could defeat such an enemy. That time has passed.
An American Expat in Southeast Asia
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:48:01 PM PDT
by
expatguy
(http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
To: Lessismore
Lots of folks seem to forget that we were singlehandedly taking on the japanese with no help from the soviets.
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:49:31 PM PDT
by
Eagles6
(Dig deeper, more ammo.)
To: OK
Ding, Ding, Ding, you get the prize. I was just going to comment, they might have broken the back of the Third Reich but it is an open question which was worse, the krauts, or the commies. The communists certainly killed more people, many of them their own.
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:50:33 PM PDT
by
johnb838
(Free Republicans... To Arms!)
To: Lessismore
Stalin and his commissars were evil as hell and deserved Hitler's fate but hey the Soviet Army tore the guts out of the Wehrmacht BEFORE there was a Second Front. Just compare the number of American tank aces to Soviet tank aces to gauge the magnitude of enemy forces engagned.
I also agree Patton should have been unleased on the Soviets after V-J Day.
To: Tail Gunner John
Regardless of what you think of Stalin and the Commies, I don't understand why many people refuse to grasp the scope of operations on the eastern front. It's because they are ignernt of history.
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:56:48 PM PDT
by
don-o
(Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
To: FreedomCalls
Patton and Churchill were pretty prescient with regards to the peaceful intentions of papa Joe and the Soviets.
I know there was unhappiness with where the lines were drawn in Europe (especially among the generals), but I don't think there was ever any serious consideration to allowing German Nazism or any form of nazism/fascism to be in control in east europe. Even if there was a plan to support a "buffer of Nazism", the Soviets wouldn't have allowed it.
So I don't think there was really a choice for East Europe post-war, except in where the line was drawn, and then later in a strategy for facing communism, the Soviets, and their satellite gov'ns.
To: FreedomCalls
I agree, but given the choice between a post-war communist East Europe or a post-war Nazi East Europe (and that was the only choice we had)Nonsense. Nazism was to be defeated regardless - that much was settled. What do you think all that haggling with Stalin at Potsdam, Yalta, and Tehran was all about? Do you think they were talking about whether to allow the Nazis to keep some territory? Of course not, it was about which parts of Europe would become free, and which would become Communist.
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:57:44 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: FreedomCalls
seems I remember something about the US Army 8th AirForce and just a few bombing raids that took place...how many thousands of B17 air crews died? Putin's statement does have an element of truth, but it's not the whole truth...
Russia 'liberated' some countries but forgot to let the citizens of those countries have it back after the war!
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posted on
05/07/2005 5:58:10 PM PDT
by
GRRRRR
(Hillary is the most dangerous person in America and the RINO's haven't a clue...)
To: Little Ray
And the Soviets didn't "liberate" anything The Jewish survivors of Auschwitz, Birkenau, and the other extermination camps in the east that were "liberated", yes "liberated", by the Russian troops would disagree.
Jewish children in Auschwitz after being subjected to heinous medical experiments.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:03:38 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: concerned about politics; ms_68
but also liberated 11 European countries during World War IIIs that what they're calling the Soviet occupation of these 11 countries now-a-days. i bet the Poles would have a different word than "liberation".
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:06:52 PM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(Liberal Rule #32 - Lie loud and long enough and someone may believe it.)
To: FreedomCalls
The Jewish survivors of Auschwitz, Birkenau, and the other extermination camps in the east that were "liberated", yes "liberated", by the Russian troops would disagree.Don't commit verbicide. If a prison guard saves the life of an inmate, that inmate is still an inmate. He hasn't been "liberated".
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:07:59 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: Lessismore
to be honest Russia did play a strategic part in the end of ww2.
in the terms of modern day gamers the russians "zerged" the germans.
never the less...
Its not their actions during ww2...its russias actions after. I guess Pooty Poo didnt mention that.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:08:57 PM PDT
by
Casaubon
(Internet Research Ninja Masta)
To: inquest
Nazism was to be defeated regardless - that much was settled. What do you think all that haggling with Stalin at Potsdam, Yalta, and Tehran was all about? Do you think they were talking about whether to allow the Nazis to keep some territory? Of course not, it was about which parts of Europe would become free, and which would become Communist. And why was that? It was because communist control was preferable to Nazi control. We could have sued for a seperate peace had we preferred a Nazi east to a communist east. The fact that we didn't just goes to show you that communism in East Europe was not as bad a Naziism in East Europe. My original point.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:10:10 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: 95Tarheel
I don't think there was ever any serious consideration to allowing German Nazism or any form of nazism/fascism to be in control in east europe. No there wasn't ever under consideration -- because having communism in East Europe was not as bad as having Naziism in East Europe. Which is what I originally said.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:12:20 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: Tungenchek
No one can question the heroism of the Red Army soldiers, and the Russian civilians living on the front lines. And no one can question that the soviet government kicked them in the teeth when they returned home.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:14:04 PM PDT
by
Mr Ramsbotham
(Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
To: Lessismore
Yeah, and lets forget about the little episode of dividing Poland between the Soviets and Hitler, which percipitated the Whole WWII.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:15:45 PM PDT
by
agincourt1415
(4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
To: FreedomCalls
And why was that? It was because communist control was preferable to Nazi control.It was because the Nazis were aligned with people who attacked us, and the Communists at the time weren't. It wasn't because the Communists were better for the people of Europe than the Nazis.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:16:26 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: inquest
If a prison guard saves the life of an inmate, that inmate is still an inmate. He hasn't been "liberated". If you can't understand the difference between a temporary life in an extermination camp and life under the East German or Polish communist regimes, there's no use arguing with you. They are lightyears apart in the degree of oppression suffered by the people there.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:21:20 PM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: FreedomCalls
I understand perfectly the distinction. It's you who's having trouble telling the difference between freedom and improved health. They're not the same thing at all.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:24:23 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
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