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COURAGE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE WAS THE MAJOR FORCE THAT DESTROYED NAZISM - PUTIN
RIA Novosti ^ | RIA Novosti

Posted on 05/07/2005 4:37:28 PM PDT by Lessismore

MOSCOW, May 7 (RIA Novosti) - The Soviet people not only defended the Motherland from the Nazi aggression, but also liberated 11 European countries during World War II, announced Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday during the opening ceremony of the memorial on the Poklonnaya Hill dedicated to the Victory in the Great Patriotic War.

"During fierce battles on the front that stretched from the Barents Sea to Caucasus, the Soviet Union broke the backbone of the German military machine. It was on the Eastern front where the Nazis suffered three-quarters of their losses," Putin said.

"Courage, resilience and unity of the multi-national people became the major force that destroyed Nazism," Putin stressed.

He said the world has never seen such an example of mass heroism, such a spread of partisan movement, such enthusiasm and effort of workers at the home front that provided the army with all necessary means to defeat the enemy.

"We will always remember and respect the feat of the generation of victors," the Russian President stated.

"They defended our right to live, to preserve our statehood and culture. They defended the future of our children. Their heroic deeds will always serve as a moral model for us," Putin said.

The Russian President concluded his speech with the words, "May the glory of those who perished for the freedom and independence of our Motherland live forever! We bow deeply to the veterans of the Great Patriotic War!"

The new memorial is a gigantic colonnade consisting of 15 bronze steles.

Ten of them represent the feats of Red Army soldiers and officers. Three are dedicated to courage, resilience and heroism of the Navy personnel. One of the steles is dedicated to fearless partisans and members of underground resistance, and the last one - to workers at the home front.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: cary; putin; russiavisit; veday; wwii
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To: Lessismore
The Russian people suffered gravely. Let them have their day. What are we supposed to do about this anyway? This is Russia's celebration, on their soil.
41 posted on 05/07/2005 5:46:54 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: FreedomCalls
In today's PC world, Communism would be simply viewed as lifestyle choice.

There was a time before in our nation's history when we could defeat such an enemy. That time has passed.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

42 posted on 05/07/2005 5:48:01 PM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Lessismore

Lots of folks seem to forget that we were singlehandedly taking on the japanese with no help from the soviets.


43 posted on 05/07/2005 5:49:31 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: OK

Ding, Ding, Ding, you get the prize. I was just going to comment, they might have broken the back of the Third Reich but it is an open question which was worse, the krauts, or the commies. The communists certainly killed more people, many of them their own.


44 posted on 05/07/2005 5:50:33 PM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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To: Lessismore
Stalin and his commissars were evil as hell and deserved Hitler's fate but hey the Soviet Army tore the guts out of the Wehrmacht BEFORE there was a Second Front. Just compare the number of American tank aces to Soviet tank aces to gauge the magnitude of enemy forces engagned.

I also agree Patton should have been unleased on the Soviets after V-J Day.

45 posted on 05/07/2005 5:54:44 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Tail Gunner John
Regardless of what you think of Stalin and the Commies, I don't understand why many people refuse to grasp the scope of operations on the eastern front.

It's because they are ignernt of history.

46 posted on 05/07/2005 5:56:48 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: FreedomCalls

Patton and Churchill were pretty prescient with regards to the peaceful intentions of papa Joe and the Soviets.

I know there was unhappiness with where the lines were drawn in Europe (especially among the generals), but I don't think there was ever any serious consideration to allowing German Nazism or any form of nazism/fascism to be in control in east europe. Even if there was a plan to support a "buffer of Nazism", the Soviets wouldn't have allowed it.

So I don't think there was really a choice for East Europe post-war, except in where the line was drawn, and then later in a strategy for facing communism, the Soviets, and their satellite gov'ns.


47 posted on 05/07/2005 5:56:55 PM PDT by 95Tarheel
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To: FreedomCalls
I agree, but given the choice between a post-war communist East Europe or a post-war Nazi East Europe (and that was the only choice we had)

Nonsense. Nazism was to be defeated regardless - that much was settled. What do you think all that haggling with Stalin at Potsdam, Yalta, and Tehran was all about? Do you think they were talking about whether to allow the Nazis to keep some territory? Of course not, it was about which parts of Europe would become free, and which would become Communist.

48 posted on 05/07/2005 5:57:44 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: FreedomCalls

seems I remember something about the US Army 8th AirForce and just a few bombing raids that took place...how many thousands of B17 air crews died? Putin's statement does have an element of truth, but it's not the whole truth...

Russia 'liberated' some countries but forgot to let the citizens of those countries have it back after the war!


49 posted on 05/07/2005 5:58:10 PM PDT by GRRRRR (Hillary is the most dangerous person in America and the RINO's haven't a clue...)
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To: Little Ray
And the Soviets didn't "liberate" anything

The Jewish survivors of Auschwitz, Birkenau, and the other extermination camps in the east that were "liberated", yes "liberated", by the Russian troops would disagree.

Jewish children in Auschwitz after being subjected to heinous medical experiments.

50 posted on 05/07/2005 6:03:38 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: concerned about politics; ms_68
but also liberated 11 European countries during World War II

Is that what they're calling the Soviet occupation of these 11 countries now-a-days. i bet the Poles would have a different word than "liberation".

51 posted on 05/07/2005 6:06:52 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Liberal Rule #32 - Lie loud and long enough and someone may believe it.)
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To: FreedomCalls
The Jewish survivors of Auschwitz, Birkenau, and the other extermination camps in the east that were "liberated", yes "liberated", by the Russian troops would disagree.

Don't commit verbicide. If a prison guard saves the life of an inmate, that inmate is still an inmate. He hasn't been "liberated".

52 posted on 05/07/2005 6:07:59 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Lessismore

to be honest Russia did play a strategic part in the end of ww2.

in the terms of modern day gamers the russians "zerged" the germans.

never the less...

Its not their actions during ww2...its russias actions after. I guess Pooty Poo didnt mention that.


53 posted on 05/07/2005 6:08:57 PM PDT by Casaubon (Internet Research Ninja Masta)
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To: inquest
Nazism was to be defeated regardless - that much was settled. What do you think all that haggling with Stalin at Potsdam, Yalta, and Tehran was all about? Do you think they were talking about whether to allow the Nazis to keep some territory? Of course not, it was about which parts of Europe would become free, and which would become Communist.

And why was that? It was because communist control was preferable to Nazi control. We could have sued for a seperate peace had we preferred a Nazi east to a communist east. The fact that we didn't just goes to show you that communism in East Europe was not as bad a Naziism in East Europe. My original point.

54 posted on 05/07/2005 6:10:10 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: 95Tarheel
I don't think there was ever any serious consideration to allowing German Nazism or any form of nazism/fascism to be in control in east europe.

No there wasn't ever under consideration -- because having communism in East Europe was not as bad as having Naziism in East Europe. Which is what I originally said.

55 posted on 05/07/2005 6:12:20 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Tungenchek
No one can question the heroism of the Red Army soldiers, and the Russian civilians living on the front lines.

And no one can question that the soviet government kicked them in the teeth when they returned home.

56 posted on 05/07/2005 6:14:04 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Lessismore

Yeah, and lets forget about the little episode of dividing Poland between the Soviets and Hitler, which percipitated the Whole WWII.


57 posted on 05/07/2005 6:15:45 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: FreedomCalls
And why was that? It was because communist control was preferable to Nazi control.

It was because the Nazis were aligned with people who attacked us, and the Communists at the time weren't. It wasn't because the Communists were better for the people of Europe than the Nazis.

58 posted on 05/07/2005 6:16:26 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest
If a prison guard saves the life of an inmate, that inmate is still an inmate. He hasn't been "liberated".

If you can't understand the difference between a temporary life in an extermination camp and life under the East German or Polish communist regimes, there's no use arguing with you. They are lightyears apart in the degree of oppression suffered by the people there.


59 posted on 05/07/2005 6:21:20 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls
I understand perfectly the distinction. It's you who's having trouble telling the difference between freedom and improved health. They're not the same thing at all.
60 posted on 05/07/2005 6:24:23 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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