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COURAGE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE WAS THE MAJOR FORCE THAT DESTROYED NAZISM - PUTIN
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Posted on 05/07/2005 4:37:28 PM PDT by Lessismore

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1 posted on 05/07/2005 4:37:29 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Lessismore
Yeah, sure, and Clinton was a righteous man. Tell me another story. Sheesh!
2 posted on 05/07/2005 4:45:17 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Lessismore

To any old timers: Did the Russians pull this pissing contest stuff about who deserves more credit for destroying the Nazis during the Cold War or is this a new phenomenon?


3 posted on 05/07/2005 4:46:05 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Lessismore
"During fierce battles on the front that stretched from the Barents Sea to Caucasus, the Soviet Union broke the backbone of the German military machine. It was on the Eastern front where the Nazis suffered three-quarters of their losses," Putin said.

No one can question the heroism of the Red Army soldiers, and the Russian civilians living on the front lines. They could and did take enormous punishment and would have never dreamed of pulling a 'France'.

That said, the Russians themselves have an old saying that their greatest generals are General Snow and General Mud. The weather destroyed Napolean's Grand Armee, and the German troops, who invaded wearing only summer uniforms found out the hard way about the Russian winter.

4 posted on 05/07/2005 4:47:49 PM PDT by xJones
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To: concerned about politics
Yeah, sure, and Clinton was a righteous man. Tell me another story. Sheesh!
"During fierce battles on the front that stretched from the Barents Sea to Caucasus, the Soviet Union broke the backbone of the German military machine. It was on the Eastern front where the Nazis suffered three-quarters of their losses," Putin said.

So what is incorrect in the above statement?

5 posted on 05/07/2005 4:48:13 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lessismore

"COURAGE OF THE SOVIET PEOPLE WAS THE MAJOR FORCE THAT DESTROYED NAZISM"

Too bad Stalin replaced Naziism with something just as bad.


6 posted on 05/07/2005 4:49:41 PM PDT by OK
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No one can question the heroism of the Red Army soldiers, and the Russian civilians living on the front lines.



Very true.


7 posted on 05/07/2005 4:50:04 PM PDT by Tungenchek
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That said, the Russians themselves have an old saying that their greatest generals are General Snow and General Mud. The weather destroyed Napolean's Grand Armee, and the German troops

But didn't General Snow and General Mud equally hamper military operations on the Russian side? The Russians were not immune to the effects of bad weather.

8 posted on 05/07/2005 4:50:45 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Lessismore
...but also liberated 11 European countries during World War II...

He's still pulling this "liberated" malarky. Is there any serious doubt remaining that Putin never really left the KGB?

9 posted on 05/07/2005 4:52:49 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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Actually the Soviets taught in their schools that the efforts of the other "allies" were minimal in the defeat of Germany. They didn't even teach students that the allies invaded Germany from the West. They told students that Stalin in his maganimity gave them shares in the administration of Germany after the war was over.

I know this because the wifey grew up in the Soviet Union and that is what she was taught.


10 posted on 05/07/2005 4:52:57 PM PDT by OK
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To: FreedomCalls

Just my two cents... but I think victory/defeat had alot to do with how the various combatants used or failed to use those two famous generals strategically.


11 posted on 05/07/2005 4:53:13 PM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: FreedomCalls
They lived in it, so they were more hardened to it.
12 posted on 05/07/2005 4:53:43 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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"the Soviet Union broke the backbone of the German military machine"


and the Lend Lease Program ,
without which the Russians would have never withstood the
early onslaughts of the Wehrmacht


13 posted on 05/07/2005 4:53:46 PM PDT by injin
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No one should doubt the heroism and sacrifice of the Russian people in fighting the Nazi invaders. The issue is the Stalinist tyranny they brought with them into eastern Europe - and where it was imposed for a half century.
14 posted on 05/07/2005 5:00:06 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: OK
Too bad Stalin replaced Naziism with something just as bad.

Bad, certainly, but not "just as bad." There were no extermination camps in Communist East Germany bringing trainloads of Jews to the ovens like there was under the Nazis. The Nazis wanted to exterminate all the Jews in Europe as if they were a pest, just like you would insects or rats. East German communists, bad as they were, were never that bad.


15 posted on 05/07/2005 5:00:28 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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That said, the Russians themselves have an old saying that their greatest generals are General Snow and General Mud.

Well we had General Motors and General Electric.

16 posted on 05/07/2005 5:02:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Lessismore

By any measure the battle of Stalingrad was one of the bloodiest, arguably the largest single battle in human history. It raged for 199 days. Casualties for the Axis totalled at around 850,000. Among those lost were 400,000 Germans, 200,000 Romanians, 130,000 Italians and 120,000 Hungarians. Soviet military losses totalled at 750,000. More than 40,000 Soviet civilians died in Stalingrad and its suburbs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad


17 posted on 05/07/2005 5:02:44 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Armed Forces Day May 21, 2005)
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To: FreedomCalls
Regardless of what you think of Stalin and the Commies, I don't understand why many people refuse to grasp the scope of operations on the eastern front.

The Soviets, for three long years almost single handedly bled the Nazis white. Even after Normandy the quantity and quality of German forces committed in the east still made the Allied offensive not much more than a side show.
18 posted on 05/07/2005 5:03:58 PM PDT by Tail Gunner John
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To: concerned about politics

20 Million dead Russians, might as well tell those old widows something nice. After all, if you can't say something nice, Don't say...


19 posted on 05/07/2005 5:04:54 PM PDT by Sundog (Cheers)
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To: Lessismore

And who made it even possible for Russia to fight the Germans? Gee, could it have been the good ol' US of A?

http://www.geocities.com/mark_willey/lend.html

Also don't forget that the Russians were aligned with the Germans early in the war and also with Japan.


20 posted on 05/07/2005 5:07:41 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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