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Mid-Western researchers ponder hydrogen
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Posted on 05/07/2005 3:00:32 PM PDT by Aaron_A
Several universities and research groups in the American Mid-West hope to one day become a leading source of hydrogen fuel. South Dakota State University, University of North Dakota and the University of Minnesota are working on different projects under the auspices of the Upper Midwest Hydrogen Initiative. There is no abundant natural source of pure hydrogen, so it must be produced from other sources and that is where the Midwest hopes to cash in with its supplies of ethanol, wind energy, and farm waste.
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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; US: Minnesota; US: North Dakota; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: biomass; energy; ethanol; hydrogen; windpower
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:00:32 PM PDT
by
Aaron_A
To: Aaron_A
Midwestern? Well, there's always methane. ;>
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:03:17 PM PDT
by
combat_boots
(Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
To: Aaron_A
Where is the hydrogen now? All chemically bound, mostly in water and the rest in gas/oil. Right? That's where we have to go to get some free to use as fuel.
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:09:43 PM PDT
by
RightWhale
(These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
To: Aaron_A
Several universities and research groups in the American Mid-West hope to one day become a leading source of hydrogen fuel.The researchers themselves want to become a source of hydrogen? Do I want to be standing near them when this happens?
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:10:20 PM PDT
by
inquest
(FTAA delenda est)
To: Aaron_A
University of Minnesota researchers are working on ways to turn ethanol into hydrogen inside a car's engine, thus eliminating the need to store compressed volatile hydrogen gas.
Why not just skip the middle man and run it on Ethanol?
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:25:21 PM PDT
by
Husker24
To: Husker24
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posted on
05/07/2005 3:47:06 PM PDT
by
delacoert
(imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
To: Husker24
University of Minnesota researchers are working on ways to turn ethanol into hydrogen inside a car's engine, thus eliminating the need to store compressed volatile hydrogen gas. And they'd take the released carbon dioxide and put it where?
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posted on
05/07/2005 4:12:20 PM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: delacoert
>>>Ethanol Fuels: Energy Balance, Economics,and Environmental Impacts are Negative
Tell me - who funds the group that wrote that report?
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posted on
05/07/2005 4:15:01 PM PDT
by
Keith in Iowa
(Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
To: Aaron_A
To: Keith in Iowa
who funds the group that wrote that report?You got it backwards. The question is, "who funds the groups that pitch ethanol as another energy miracle?"
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posted on
05/07/2005 4:17:36 PM PDT
by
delacoert
(imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
To: delacoert
Follow the money on both sides of the issue. The truth lies somewhere in between.
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posted on
05/07/2005 4:20:48 PM PDT
by
Keith in Iowa
(Life's a beach - and Liberals are like the sand that gets in your swimsuit...)
To: inquest
"The researchers themselves want to become a source of hydrogen? Do I want to be standing near them when this happens?"
I suggest that you might wish to, but always holding a lit cigar (or cigarette). You do not need to be smoking it, just keep it lit- and you might be treated to quite a sight, better than July 4 fireworks.
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posted on
05/07/2005 4:21:18 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: delacoert
Ethanol could be a useful product of the waste that is not going towards animals.
To: John Will
I have a difficult time finding clear and complete cost analyses on ethanol production from agricultural waste. Using the search string, '"cost of ethanol production" from "agricultural waste",' I found the following:
Even for feedstocks in the $30$40/dry ton range (similar to many of the straws and other agriculture wastes), the cost of ethanol production is in the range of $1.50 to $1.60 per gallon which is not economical under todays market conditions without substantial subsidies. Therefore, near-term plants should focus on biomass with negative or very low cost.from FEASIBILITY OF PRODUCING ETHANOL FROM BIOMASS IN NORTHEASTERN NORTH DAKOTA AND NORTHWESTERN MINNESOTA, Section 5.3 Operating Costs, Report 2000-EERC-10-01, Energy & Environmental Research Center, University of North Dakota, May 2001.
This is a 5+ year old analysis. The prices will have changed, but the conclusion is probably still correct.
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:45:02 PM PDT
by
delacoert
(imperat animus corpori, et paretur statim: imperat animus sibi, et resistitur. -AUGUSTINI)
To: Aaron_A; abbi_normal_2; Ace2U; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.List of Ping lists
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posted on
05/07/2005 6:46:43 PM PDT
by
farmfriend
(Send in the Posse)
To: Keith in Iowa
Tell me - who funds the group that wrote that report? Oil companies love ethanol. They get to sell diesel to produce and transport the raw feedstock, and then get to sell natural gas to produce the ethanol. Mileage in use goes down and that means more gasoline sales too.
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posted on
05/07/2005 7:08:01 PM PDT
by
Carry_Okie
(The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
To: farmfriend
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posted on
05/08/2005 3:09:41 AM PDT
by
E.G.C.
To: Toddsterpatriot
carbon dioxide is consumed by plants and recycled into oxygen. Not a problem.
To: o_zarkman44
carbon dioxide is consumed by plants and recycled into oxygen. Duh. Then why bother with turning hydrocarbons into hydrogen? Just burn the hydrocarbon. That's more energy efficient anyway.
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posted on
05/10/2005 5:58:05 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Karl Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: Aaron_A
I'm not against a search for more and cheaper energy sources, however, under present conditions, there is nothing cheaper and more available than oil and gas. Develop them to the max before we spend time and energy on unknown or less than efficient sources requiring government subsidies to be even considered viable in a political sense, much less physically.
Hydrogen has been a scam of the first order by those who are expert in the paper process for government grant money. Ethanol is pretty close to the same thing only it has the backing of quite a number of mid state politicians for and in behalf of corn producers.
I don't have an argument with corn producers only with the subsidies necessary to make the product profitable. Without the subsidies it would be a dead issue and there would only be sufficient ethanol plants to produce fuel for race cars, and I can't remember why we have ethanol powered race cars, and other ethanol uses besides an additive to gasoline.
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posted on
05/10/2005 6:53:58 AM PDT
by
wita
(truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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