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UT heckling arrest raises hackles — and concern over school policy (Profanity WHINE)
Houston Chronicle ^ | May 7, 2005 | JEFFREY GILBERT and TERRI LANGFORD

Posted on 05/07/2005 8:22:50 AM PDT by bgsugar

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To: the anti-liberal

You're right! I forgot about the real cause of his arrest.


21 posted on 05/07/2005 9:15:33 AM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: bgsugar
McGreal (Law professor) said ,"Accounts of Raj's actions seem to indicate that his actions (graphic depiction of a sex act) were more of a political nature, not a prurient one."

Spoken like an experienced practitioner of legal beagle gobbly-goop.

22 posted on 05/07/2005 9:15:42 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Teflonic

"There were children in the crowd and what he said was:"

Yes, yes. Think of the children. Same excuse the anti-gun lobby makes. Parents need to take responsibility for their children, not the general public.

And I know what he said. That's what college students do. When I was a student, I walked right up to Gloria Steinem and called her a b----. Stupid and immature to be sure. But it upset some fellow students who were feminists and that made it humorous to me and my friends. The lefty thought police hated that sort of stuff back in the early 90s.

The last thing we need to do is promote stifling speech on campus. That's the leftist game, my friends. This jerk getting his yucks is less important than preventing the lefty academics from using these tactics to shut up conservative students.


23 posted on 05/07/2005 9:17:43 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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To: combat_boots

"IIRC, there were children in the audience. His rights of free speech serve children's public interest, let alone any adults who may have been truly offended?"

Constitutional rights are not about "children's public interest." If your little darlings are too precious for the rough and tumble of the public forum, then leave them at home.

I am sick and tired of all the Hillary-worshipping "It Takes a Village" types out there who think the world should be arranged for the benefit of children.


24 posted on 05/07/2005 9:24:05 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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To: the anti-liberal

"If I recall correctly, he wasn't arrested for his 'speech' per se, he was arrested when he refused to leave after being asked to leave."

Haven't heard that one yet. Do you have a source? If he really was arrested for refusing to leave, then this whole discussion is moot.


25 posted on 05/07/2005 9:26:05 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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To: bgsugar
When Raj took to the microphone, he confronted her about that view, lacing his question with profanity. "They went on to the next question pretty quickly," said Cadik, a junior. "As (Raj) walked out, a lot of protesters walked out with him, they were clapping."

As usual the scum sticks together.

26 posted on 05/07/2005 9:26:52 AM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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To: New Orleans Slim

There is a link to the incident report in post #15. Disorderly conduct.


27 posted on 05/07/2005 9:35:01 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: bgsugar

He's lucky Ann's bodyguards didn't get to him.


28 posted on 05/07/2005 9:36:30 AM PDT by John Lenin (Liberalism is a mental disorder, it really is)
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To: New Orleans Slim

I agree. Idiot kid should have been asked to leave. Not arrested.

Our courts have other things to do.


29 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:02 AM PDT by rwilson99 (South Park (R)
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To: New Orleans Slim

There's an argument for a fighting words exception, though, isn't there? Though I guess that would somewhat depend on the actions of the others present...did anyone actually get up to try to grab the guy (I've heard differing things...)


30 posted on 05/07/2005 9:39:52 AM PDT by Grn_Lantern (Let's go to work...)
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To: rwilson99

Zero tolerance for liberal idiots who throw things at people. Deal with it.


31 posted on 05/07/2005 9:40:16 AM PDT by John Lenin (Liberalism is a mental disorder, it really is)
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To: Grn_Lantern

"There's an argument for a fighting words exception, though, isn't there?"

"Fighting words" is a very narrow exception, and the words really have to be out there. Otherwise, you run the risk of the heckler's veto problem - i.e. whenever someone says something you don't like, start getting unruly so you can accuse the speaker of using fighting words.


32 posted on 05/07/2005 9:49:03 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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Haven't heard that one yet. Do you have a source? If he really was arrested for refusing to leave, then this whole discussion is moot.

The original articles as well as several post threads here made this point. I'm fairly new to FR, so I'm not sure how to pull up those old posts and threads, or I would post them.

Sorry. I don't have time right now to look into it myself- got things to do, but you might look the original Drudge post, for example...

33 posted on 05/07/2005 9:50:18 AM PDT by the anti-liberal (H. Clinton: Be afraid, be very, very afraid...)
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To: John Lenin

"Zero tolerance for liberal idiots who throw things at people. Deal with it."

Except nothing was throw was it? Perhaps you ought to read the article before you shoot off your mouth.


34 posted on 05/07/2005 9:50:19 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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To: the anti-liberal

"I don't have time right now to look into it myself [...]"

As I thought.


35 posted on 05/07/2005 9:52:14 AM PDT by New Orleans Slim
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36 posted on 05/07/2005 10:03:37 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: New Orleans Slim
I would be interested in how case law applies to the actual conduct. Below is a copy of the Affidavit for Warrant of Arrest and Detention.

Even if the verbal question regarding men "#(&(^% their wives in the &^%" is taken off the table, how does the separate public act of simulating solo masturbation qualify as having "serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value"?


37 posted on 05/07/2005 10:05:14 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: bgsugar
Ajai Raj, a 19-year-old English major, thought he was exercising his right to free speech when he quizzed conservative pundit Ann Coulter on her definition of marriage after a lecture she delivered at the LBJ Library.

Raj is a liar and he knows it. He is an English major and, obviously, plans to be a super-leftist journalist and knows that the MSM will front for him.
38 posted on 05/07/2005 10:07:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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Robert Jensen, a UT journalism professor, said he wasn't at the speech, but he said nothing he has heard or read constitutes disorderly conduct.

Kinda says it all, doesn't it?
39 posted on 05/07/2005 10:08:47 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Polybius
...does the separate public act of simulating solo masturbation qualify as having "serious literary, artistic, political, and scientific value"?

Oh man, I hope he doesn't read this thread. He'll apply for a grant as a "performance artist."

40 posted on 05/07/2005 10:12:03 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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