Posted on 05/06/2005 10:47:50 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
CHARLES DARWINS theory of evolution is facing a new challenge in America from Christians who argue that life shows an intelligent design.
The Kansas Board of Education has begun taking evidence from anti-evolution scientists in a bid to rewrite the states teaching standards to ensure that pupils learn alternatives to evolution that suggest a guiding hand in the origin of life.
Kansas is one of a growing number of states to consider authorising schools to teach religious alternatives to Darwin but a four-day hearing of the Kansas board has outraged mainstream scientists, who are boycotting the meeting and holding protests outside.
The American Association for the Advancement of Science declined an invitation to testify, arguing that the hearings would confuse rather than educate the public.
This is a showcase trial, Jack Krebs, vice-president of Kansas Citizens for Science, said. They have hijacked science and education.
On the first day of testimony in Topeka, the audience heard lectures on primordial soup, fruit-fly mutations and whether human beings were related to worms as six anti-evolution scientists argued that the theory of evolution could not explain gaps in the fossil record, the complexity of DNA or the origin of life itself.
William Harris, a professor of medicine who specialises in omega-3 fatty acids and co-founded the Intelligent Design Network, said that Darwinism clashed with the biblical teaching that life was created by God. Part of our overall goal is to remove the bias against religion that is currently in schools, he said. This is a scientific controversy that has powerful religious implications.
Other witnesses included Jonathan Wells, an embryologist and senior fellow at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, who described himself as an old Berkeley antiwar radical. The way Darwinian evolution is usually presented is that the evidence is overwhelming, and there is no controversy about it, he said. Thats clearly not the case.
Dr Wells, who holds PhDs in theology from Yale University and in biology from the University of California, Berkeley, confirmed under cross-examination that he was a member of Sun Myung Moons Unification Church.
Pro-Darwin scientists distributed an internet posting outside the hearing in which Dr Wells declares: Fathers words, my studies and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism.
The anti-evolution scientists faced sharp questioning from Pedro Irigonegaray, a lawyer defending Darwin at the hearings. He said that he fantasised that he was defending John Scopes, a Tennessee biology teacher who in 1925 was found guilty of illegally teaching evolution at what became known as the Monkey Trial.
The delicious fantasy of being in a courtroom-like environment, with the overhead fan slowly twisting and being able to question witnesses about all of these issues, is very appealing, he said.
The US Supreme Court outlawed the teaching of biblical beliefs, or creationism, in state schools in an Arkansas case in 1987, forcing Christians to embrace intelligent design.
All three members of the Kansas sub-committee support a change in the standards to tell students that evolution is only a theory, not a fact, and to include alternatives. The full Kansas school board, which is controlled by a 6-4 conservative majority, is expected to rewrite the standards in June, joining Ohio, which took a similar step three years ago. Legislators in Alabama and Georgia are also considering Bills to allow teachers to challenge Darwin in class.
Flattery will get you everywhere, skippy.
Though, I should have put a smiley or something in my post to you, I actually meant it as a joke. Just a gaff! Just a lighthearted poke!
I apologize.
When do they start challenging other scientific theories like relativity, flight, gravity, thermodynamics, etc.?
Time should be set aside in physics class to teach the theory of the aether.
Any theory? What constitutes a valid theory?
Ll is the lawyer gene for diploids. You got the dominant allele.
Very funny. You can't keep straight in your evolved head who you've said what to and I've been beaten. I'll have to remember never to debate folks with neuronal dysfunction. You can't win.
BTW, if the state has rights that come first, where does that leave the indivdual? The Gulag?
Yeah, you were beaten. Does this mean you want to keep dancing? Maybe try making an argument instead of hurling insults.
You can start with telling me how to disprove intelligent design.
You mean, most Darwinists "call" themselves Christians.
I don't believe the allegorical nature of the Bible was being discussed here.
Evolution is not a fact, it is a belief system, a cult -- at least to the degree it was taken by Gould and alcolytes. As a framework for classification, it's fine -- but it is taken too far. Greedy beyond its meets and bounds.
Were you around at the time to know for certain that Creationism is a lie? Who is doing the sinning now?
> most Darwinists "call" themselves Christians
Most Christians "call" themselves Christians.
> Were you around at the time to know for certain that Creationism is a lie?
Ah, an interesting notion. By that logic, the past is unknowable. Any claim about the past is equally valid. We should disband the legal system, since it is based on examination of evidence of things past that often times was not directly observed.
You sure are off in your own little world, but for once I agree. The past is 100% unknowable and anyone who claims to "know the truth of the past" is lying. BTW = the legal system I know personally for over 20 years - it should be based more on biblical principles rather than human opinion and ideology. 2nd time today that I agree with you. I need a stiff drink!
> anyone who claims to "know the truth of the past" is lying
So you agree that Creationists are a pack of liars. And you further believe that anyone who claims to 'know" that Jesus actually walked the Earth and died for your sins is also a liar.
> The past is 100% unknowable
How sad for you. Perhaps you should look into Last Thursdayism. I think you would get along well with it.
But you're pretty good at "declaring victory".
But then again so was Baghdad Bob so you're in damn good company.
For the last time, you can't argue ID on a scientific basis because it's not science, because it can't be disproven.
Would you like me to write in larger text?
Heh, sure, demonize me if you want - I guess it makes your ineptitude easier to accept.
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