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Go Pope Benedict XVI! I don't think it's a coincidence that this is happening now that Pope Benedict has the authority to discipline these people. I hope the rest of the liberal "Catholics" will follow this guy's lead and resign also.

I hope this new guy will be better but I am not so sure.

1 posted on 05/06/2005 3:09:10 PM PDT by ndkos
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To: NYer

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 05/06/2005 3:09:32 PM PDT by ndkos
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To: ndkos

"The cafeteria is closed."


3 posted on 05/06/2005 3:10:52 PM PDT by The Iguana
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To: ndkos

"Giving both sides of the debate" in this context can also be defined as "giving both the teaching of the Catholic Church and heresies against that teaching."


4 posted on 05/06/2005 3:11:46 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: ndkos

Thank God. It's about time. But why stop there? Kick that liberal fruitcake out of the priesthood. Get rid of the pansies impersonating priests.

5 posted on 05/06/2005 3:13:10 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ndkos
a widely respected expert on the Catholic Church and the Vatican

What's the betting line that he'll be on the AP payroll within a week?

7 posted on 05/06/2005 3:17:52 PM PDT by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: ndkos
The Vatican has had a sometimes tense relationship with the Jesuits, some of whose members in the past have questioned papal pronouncements on birth control, priestly celibacy and the ban on women priests.

I thought the Jesuits were the most fiercely loyal subjects (for lack of a better word) of the Pope. I also thought they had a great deal of autonomy. Now, both assumptions are in doubt.

12 posted on 05/06/2005 3:35:50 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (America is not free anymore, the judicial oligarchy rules. Want proof? Ask Terri Schindler!!!!!)
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To: ndkos

"Reese is based in New York where the magazine is edited. He was in Rome for the election of Benedict, who had enforced a hard line on church doctrine and silenced theologians who diverged from it in his 24 years as Pope John Paul II's orthodoxy watchdog."



Has this ever really happened in modern times, or is it merely that church representatives could declare that certain theologians could no longer represent themselves as Catholic theologians, i.e., could no longer claim to be speaking for the Catholic congregation? For example, Hans Kung (who, the last I heard, was not the least bit silent).


18 posted on 05/06/2005 4:57:35 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ndkos; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
The Vatican has had a sometimes tense relationship with the Jesuits, some of whose members in the past have questioned papal pronouncements on birth control, priestly celibacy and the ban on women priests.

We have all watched with dismay as the Jesuit Order has slithered into the more liberal realms of church teaching. However, one star that shines brightly in the order is ....


Fr. Mitch Pacwa

Jesuit priest and popular television host of several EWTN (www.ewtn.com) television and radio programs, including EWTN Live,The Holy Rosary in the Holy Land , and currently Threshold of Hope, Fr Mitch has a dynamic and engaging presence. An accomplished biblical scholar and apologist, Fr Mitch holds a B.A. in Philosophy and Theology from University of Detroit (summa cum laude), a Master of Divinity and S.T.B. from the Jesuit School of Theology at Loyola University (magna cum laude), and Phd in Old Testament from Vanderbilt University. He speaks 12 languages, some of which include; Arabic, Aramaic, Hebrew, and Koine Greek, and  has taught courses in Old Testament, New Testament in high schools, seminaries, and universities, including Loyola University (Chicago) and University of Dallas. Fr Mitch is also a seasoned world-traveler, particularly to the Holy Land , where he has visited no fewer than 44 times.

 

Fr. Mitch is author of  Catholics and the New Age, Forgive Me Father, for I am Frustrated, and Some Heard Thunder, Some Heard God. He is founder of Ignatius Productions, under the Chicago Province of the Society of Jesus -- a multi-media teaching apostolate that features his books, tapes, and video productions. He is contributing author to several Catholic publications, including; This Rock Magazine.

Bi-ritual in the Maronite rite, Pacwa is a frequent visitor to the homes of Lebanese parishioners in Birmingham.

The Eastern Catholic Maronite Church

It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus Christ converted by Paul and Barnabas were first called Christians [Acts 11:26]. Antioch, especially after the destruction of Jerusalem in 71 AD, became a center for Christianity. The first Bishop was St. Peter before his travels to Rome. The third Bishop was the Apostolic Father St. Ignatius of Antioch. Antioch became one of the five original Patriarchates after Constantine recognized Christianity.

Maron, a contemporary and friend of St. John Chrysostom, was a monk in the fourth century who left Antioch for the Orontes River to lead an ascetic life, following the traditions of St. Anthony of the Desert and St. Pachomius of Egypt. He soon had many followers that adopted his monastic life. Following the death of St. Maron in 410, his disciples built a monastery in his memory and formed the nucleus of the Maronite Church. 8

The Maronites held fast to the beliefs of the Council of Chalcedon in 451. When 350 monks were slain by the Monophysites of Antioch, the Maronites sought refuge in the mountains of Lebanon. Correspondence concerning the event brought papal recognition of the Maronites by Pope Hormisdas on February 10, 518. 9
The martyrdom of the Patriarch of Antioch in 602 left the Maronites without a leader, and led them to elect their first Maronite Patriarch, St. John Maron, in 685.

Little was heard from the Maronites for 400 years, as they quietly escaped the Muslim invasions in the mountains of Lebanon, until the Crusader Raymond of Toulouse discovered the Maronites in the mountains near Tripoli, Lebanon on his way to conquer Jerusalem. The Maronites again confirmed their loyalty to the Pope in 1181. The Maronites have always remained true to Rome. 5, 8, 9, 10

The Maronites, because of their monastic origin, were able to withstand intense pressure and even persecution to preserve their Church, not just by the Muslims, but also by separated brethren such as the Orthodox and Churches of the East, as well as efforts at Latinization from Rome. Even today, the words at the Consecration of the Mass are said in Aramaic, the language of Jesus.
The Maronites have especially fluorished since the Second Vatican Council, and are now the third largest Eastern Catholic Church, numbering about 3,200,000 faithful throughout the world, including parishes in the United States, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, and Australia. We are blessed to have Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Seminary in Washington, D. C., established in 1961.

A Roman Catholic may attend Divine Liturgy at any Eastern Catholic Church and fulfill their Sunday obligation.

The Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern. As most of us realize, the Church began in the East. Our Lord lived and died and resurrected in the Holy Land. The Church spread from Jerusalem throughout the known world. As the Church spread, it encountered different cultures and adapted, retaining from each culture what was consistent with the Gospel. In the city of Alexandria, the Church became very Egyptian; in Antioch it remained very Jewish; in Rome it took on an Italian appearance and in the Constantinople it took on the trappings of the Roman imperial court. All the churches which developed this way were Eastern, except Rome. Most Catholics in the United States have their roots in Western Europe where the Roman rite predominated. It has been said that the Eastern Catholic Churches are "the best kept secret in the Catholic Church."

The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15). Pope John Paul II said that "the Catholic Church is both Eastern and Western."

Check your local community at the following link and look into attending an Eastern Catholic Liturgy (not to be confused with the Orthodox Church).

Eastern Catholic Churches in the U.S.

The Eastern Catholic Rites retain the rich heritage of our church, without the "novelties" introduced into the Novus Ordo liturgy. Incense is used throughout.

I attend a Maronite Catholic Church. The Consecration is in Aramaic, using the words and language of our Lord at the Last Supper. Communion is ONLY distributed by the priest. It is by intinction (the priest dips the consecrated host into the Precious Blood) and is ONLY received on the tongue. The priest administers communion with the words: "Receive the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, for the remission of sin and eternal salvation".

A Roman Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy at any Eastern Catholic Church. You can learn more about the 22 different liturgies at this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

19 posted on 05/06/2005 5:01:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Love without truth is blind; Truth without love is empty." - Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: ndkos; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; ...
Now they need to force National Catholic Reporter to stop calling itself "Catholic":

Posted Friday, May 6, 2005 at 4:15 p.m. CST

National Catholic Reporter has posted the following breaking news story on its Web site, NCRonline.org.

Editor of Jesuit's America magazine forced to resign under Vatican pressure

By Tom Roberts and John L. Allen, Jr.
Kansas City, Mo. and Rome

Jesuit Fr. Thomas J. Reese, editor for the past seven years of America magazine, a premier publication of Catholic thought and opinion, has resigned at the request of his order following years of pressure for his ouster from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The resignation caps five years of tensions and exchanges among the congregation, which was headed at the time by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, the Jesuits and Reese, according to sources close to the magazine who asked not to be identified.

A release from the magazine May 6, which did not mention the forced ouster, announced that the new editor is Jesuit Fr. Drew Christiansen, who has served as associate editor.

Ironically, Reese received the news that the Jesuits found the debate "unwinnable," according to one source, when he returned to the magazine's New York headquarters from Rome, where he had covered the conclave that elected Ratzinger as pope.

Contacted on background, a Vatican official said he could not discuss the case.

Over the course of a five-year exchange between the doctrinal congregation and the Jesuits, the Vatican congregation had raised objections to various editorial choices at America under Reese's leadership, including:

a.. An essay exploring moral arguments for the approval of condoms in the context of HIV/AIDS;

b.. Several critical analyses of the doctrinal congregation's September 2000 document Dominus Iesus, on religious pluralism;
c.. An editorial criticizing what America called a lack of due process in the congregation's procedures for the investigation of theologians;
d.. An essay about homosexual priests;
e.. A guest essay from U.S. Rep. David Obey of Wisconsin, challenging suggestions that the church should refuse Communion to Catholic politicians who do not vote as a number of bishops believe they should vote.

In every instance, however, the pieces represented just a portion of coverage of the subject in America, which always published opposing points of view.

According to one source, the communication about Reese's fate was carried on between the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and the superior general of the Jesuits, Dutch Fr. Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, with the content then relayed to Reese's Jesuit superiors in the United States. Although critics of Reese both in the United States and Rome have occasionally accused him of an anti-hierarchical mentality, supporters noted in their responses to the congregation that over his seven years as editor, America routinely published weighty pieces by prominent members of the hierarchy, at one stage including Ratzinger himself.

In February 2002, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith proposed creating a three-member commission of censors for the magazine, though the idea was never implemented. According to sources, the congregation told the Jesuits that the action was in response to concern from bishops in the United States.

Sources said no bishops were identified by name and that Reese was never directly contacted. According to a source close to the magazine, Jesuit superiors said some bishops were upset that Reese often commented on church matters for general media and that such commentary should be solely the province of bishops.

Reese often made himself available to media during the bishops' meetings and other special church events to explain aspects of church life and the intricacies of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. He is the author of three highly respected studies of the Catholic hierarchy: Archbishop, Inside the Power Structure of the American Catholic Church;A Flock of Shepherds: The National Conference of Catholic Bishops; and Inside the Vatican: The Politics and Organization of the Catholic Church.

The entire matter of his disciplining was handled "by chain of command, and the Jesuits were able to hold off for five years, but in the end, saw it as unwinnable. It was either Reese goes or they would appoint a board of censors," said one source.

America, though clearly left-leaning in some of its editorial stances, was widely viewed as a moderate publication that gave vent to a wide spectrum of views. Among its contributors were top theologians, a number of bishops, and, in one instance, Ratzinger himself in an article published in dialogue with Cardinal Walter Kasper, another German cardinal. Over the years, the magazine has also published dozens of articles by noted conservative Cardinal Avery Dulles.

Though pressure for Reese's ouster clearly came from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, to what degree Ratzinger was personally involved in the decision is not known.

In the May 6 release, Reese said, "I am proud of what my colleagues and I did with the magazine, and I am grateful to them, our readers and our benefactors for the support they gave me. I look forward to taking a sabbatical while my provincial and I determine the next phase of my Jesuit ministry."

Christiansen, an accomplished educator, writer and editor, previously was a senior fellow at the Woodstock Theological Center at Georgetown University. He was director of the Office of International Justice and Peace for the United States Catholic Conference from 1991 to 1998 and served as counselor for international affairs for the bishops until December 2004.

"I know I am speaking for all the editors in saying that we are sorry to see Tom go," said Christiansen in the May 6 release. "Fr. Reese greatly improved the magazine, adding news coverage, color and the Web edition. . By inviting articles that covered different sides of disputed issues, Fr. Reese helped make America a forum for intelligent discussion of questions facing the church and the country today."

22 posted on 05/06/2005 5:54:09 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel (Sometimes "Defending the Faith" means you have to be willing to get your hands dirty...)
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To: ndkos
Arrupe's Undoing - Father Drinan SJ - Congressman from Massachusetts
23 posted on 05/06/2005 5:58:20 PM PDT by Fred
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To: visualops

ping


24 posted on 05/06/2005 5:59:22 PM PDT by TheStickman (If a moron becomes senile how can you tell?)
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To: ndkos
When contacted Friday, Reese said only that his tenure ends on June 1 and that he would move immediately to California and continue in his Jesuit ministry.

Hmm . . . lots of evangelizing to be done on the Left Coast, I suppose.

27 posted on 05/06/2005 6:12:01 PM PDT by madprof98
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Any response to complaints from U.S. bishops or Vatican officials would be made by the Jesuit General in Rome, the Rev. Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, and the 11 Jesuit leaders in the United States.

11 Jesuit leaders in the United States? Huh? I don't think there are 11 provinces in the US. Who are these 11 leaders?

33 posted on 05/06/2005 6:51:20 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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The Vatican has at times taken aim at its independence.

Not at it's independence, but at it's willfullness in the matter of teaching ERROR to Catholics all over the world. It was Jesuits who told Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry and their ilk that they could still consider themselves good Catholics by publicly stating that they were 'personally opposed' to abortion all the while supporting it in legislation.

44 posted on 05/06/2005 7:26:50 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ndkos
America hasn't produced a noteworthy article since the 2000 Ratzinger-Kasper exchange on ecclesiology. This editor could have been sacked for incompetence in addition to heresy years ago.

Check out this really crappy "poem" from their 2004 poetry contest. I'd post it here, but in addition to exhibiting non-existent writing ability, it also has a bit of discomforting imagery. It's a discredit to poetry in general and anti-war poetry in particular. Needless to say, it took the top prize of $1000(!).

50 posted on 05/06/2005 8:12:40 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: ndkos

During the conclave, I saw Thomas Reese on (I think) MSNBC as an "analyst". I wanted to whack him upside the head. He is just too smarmy.

It's not the first time I've seen him on television, and not the first time I wished I could whack him upside the head.


51 posted on 05/06/2005 9:24:43 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: ndkos
But during his tenure, some Jesuits especially in the United States and the Netherlands challenged Vatican pronouncements on birth control, priestly celibacy and the ban on women priests.

Personally, I'm waiting for their articles challenging the Vatican ban on pregnant men.
55 posted on 05/06/2005 10:50:37 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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