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Conservatives win May 18 showdown (Canada's Conservatives poised to defeat corrupt Liberals)
National Post - Canada ^ | Friday, May 06, 2005 | Anne Dawson

Posted on 05/06/2005 9:52:57 AM PDT by GMMAC

Conservatives win May 18 showdown
Liberals defiant


NATIONAL POST
Friday, May 06, 2005

Anne Dawson
CanWest News Service


OTTAWA - Parliament could be thrown into a constitutional crisis after the Conservatives yesterday won the right to hold a non-confidence vote on May 18, which the Liberals have vowed to ignore if they lose it.

The Speaker of the House of Commons ruled in favour of the Tories yesterday, clearing the way for a vote on a motion that calls on the government to resign -- something the Liberals had vigorously argued against -- which in turn could force a late-June election.

Although the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois appear to have enough votes between them to win a showdown, such an outcome is far from clear, with recent moves by the Liberals to win the support of Independent and Opposition MPs through offers of plum appointments and money for pet projects.

Despite the Speaker's ruling, Government House leader Tony Valeri said the government will not resign if the opposition wins the vote because it does not consider the non-confidence motion legitimate.

He said it is merely a "procedural motion" that provides instructions to the finance committee, not the House of Commons.

"This is not a confidence motion at all," Mr. Valeri said. "What you have is the House instructing the committee to do something. The committee then needs to do it and then that needs to come back into the House ... to be debated and then voted on. By that time, we could probably be in June," he said. "That's the way we're interpreting it."

However, the Liberals may trigger their own vote before May 18 on the budget. Mr. Valeri announced yesterday he intends to return the budget bill to the Commons for debate next Tuesday. He would not say when he expects the budget vote to take place, but all signs point to a date before any vote of non-confidence can occur.

The Liberals have made clear they would prefer to be defeated on their budget -- if they have to be defeated at all -- than on a motion of non-confidence.

The atmosphere in the Commons grows uglier by the day and business in the House has almost ground to a halt with the government and the opposition at each other's throats.

Opposition House leader Jay Hill said he was not surprised by Mr. Valeri's refusal to accept the terms of their motion, but says the ultimate decision would be up to Prime Minister Paul Martin.

"Ultimately, confidence is a matter with the Prime Minister but ... we believe that confidence will be decided by the House of Commons, and if a motion passes with the majority of the members in the House of Commons ... that clearly says the government should resign. How can they debate that that's not confidence?" Mr. Hill said.

Bloc House leader Michel Gauthier was outraged by the Valeri pronouncement calling it "shameful."

"They are playing with the rules. They are clinging to power. They have no pride any more," he said.

"They are trying to modifying the meaning of the motion. I have never seen such a thing. It's pathetic. This is a government that is crawling on its knees in the gravel. This has to stop."

The opposition, however, would not rule out the possibility that it would ask Governor-General Adrienne Clarkson to intervene.

© National Post 2005


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: adscam; canada; corruption; liberals; lies
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Both Turner in '84 and Campbell in '93 led in the polls going into elections - Martin can also be beaten by similarly staying on message and driving home his government's open corruption!

Fortune favors the brave (and the focused) Mr. Harper - just ask President Bush!
1 posted on 05/06/2005 9:52:59 AM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; ...
PING!
2 posted on 05/06/2005 9:53:50 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC
Canadian convention dictates when the Government loses the support of the House Of Commons it must resign promptly. The Government and Parliament cannot remain opposed on any vital matter of importance. Its the key to the notion of responsible cabinet government.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
3 posted on 05/06/2005 9:59:12 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: GMMAC

I am sure that the Conservatives will pull defeat out of the jaws of victory. This will be sad, as I would love a more friendly government in Canada.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 10:03:43 AM PDT by Sthitch
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Quote:

Although the Conservatives and the Bloc Quebecois appear to have enough votes between them to win a showdown, such an outcome is far from clear, with recent moves by the Liberals to win the support of Independent and Opposition MPs through offers of plum appointments and money for pet projects.

Me:

Sounds familiar...


5 posted on 05/06/2005 10:05:39 AM PDT by oolatec
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To: Sthitch

Count on the 'Moderates' to gum it up.


6 posted on 05/06/2005 10:07:18 AM PDT by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: oolatec
A woman walks into a curio shop in Toronto. Looking around at the exotica, she notices a very lifelike, life-sized bronze statue of a rat.

It has no price tag, but is so striking she decides she must have it. She asks the owner: "How much?"

"Twelve dollars for the rat, a hundred dollars for the story," says the owner.

The woman gives the shop-owner twelve dollars. "I'll just take the rat, you can keep the story."

As she walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, she notices that a few real rats have crawled out of alleys and sewers, and begun following her down the street. This is a bit disconcerting, so she begins walking a little faster.

Within a couple blocks, the group of rats behind her grows to over a hundred, and they begin squealing. She starts to trot toward Lake Ontario. She takes a nervous look around and sees that the rats now number in the thousands maybe millions - all squealing and coming after her faster and faster.

Terrified, she runs to the edge of the water, and throws the bronze rat as far out into the lake as she can. Amazingly, the rats all jump after it, and are drowned.

The woman walks back to the curio shop. "Ah ha," says the owner, "I'll bet you have come back for the story?"

"No," said the woman, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Liberal."
7 posted on 05/06/2005 10:14:06 AM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

A vote in the last week of June would be ideal- it would take place within a week of Karla Homulka's prison release, so the media will be all over their record on criminal justice.


8 posted on 05/06/2005 10:16:23 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: GMMAC
"They are playing with the rules. They are clinging to power. They have no pride any more," he said. "They are trying to modifying (sic) the meaning of the motion. I have never seen such a thing. It's pathetic. This is a government that is crawling on its knees in the gravel. This has to stop."

I envision Daschle in the desert...

9 posted on 05/06/2005 10:26:07 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: GMMAC

here's hoping...

and here's hoping, if "conservatives" dominate Canada, that they be CONSERVATIVES rather than CINOs


10 posted on 05/06/2005 11:07:05 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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Despite the Speaker's ruling, Government House leader Tony Valeri said the government will not resign if the opposition wins the vote because it does not consider the non-confidence motion legitimate.

This is ridiculus. The Liberals will do everything in their power to avoid losing power. The scary thing is that they can get away with it. The Liberals can make up the rules as they go and there isn't a thing that can be done to stop them. They aren't just selfish, they are childishly selfish!

11 posted on 05/06/2005 11:09:05 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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Quote: "Parliament could be thrown into a constitutional crisis after the Conservatives yesterday won the right to hold a non-confidence vote on May 18, which the Liberals have vowed to ignore if they lose it."

Pay attention folks, this is coming to a theatre near you if the dems ever get back into power. They will, by hook are crook, do whatever is necessary to hold onto that power. I can imagine a quote from Nancy Pelosi that goes as such: "We intend to ignore the election results until a Court rules on whether it is appropriate to have the Republicans regain control of the House."



12 posted on 05/06/2005 11:09:18 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: All

the USA MSM STILL is totally silent on this scandal to the north. I wonder if they would be as silent if the parties were reversed.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 11:11:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: GMMAC
What the hell is going on up there? It's like my old student government at the University of Wisconsin. We had enough votes to remove the corrupt president, but he refused to leave! We had to get the university police and the chancellor involved, and have him physically removed. Hopefully the Governor-General has some sense (and some day) in the matter.


14 posted on 05/06/2005 11:13:09 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: July 4th
that should be "some say in the matter."
15 posted on 05/06/2005 11:13:55 AM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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and here's hoping, if "conservatives" dominate Canada, that they be CONSERVATIVES rather than CINOs

You said it bro.

16 posted on 05/06/2005 11:42:00 AM PDT by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!)
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the Liberals have vowed to ignore if they lose it

I know less about parliamentary government than I thought, can they do that?
17 posted on 05/06/2005 11:46:06 AM PDT by BJClinton (Giuliani/DeLay 2008)
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To: BJClinton
While I wish I had a dollar for every time I'd used the words "cautionary example" in relation to Canada within FR posts to our American friends, if the Liberals actually have the colossal arrogance to try this stunt we may have to look South to your "Clinton" experience because it also begins with having no shame whatsoever.

Unfortunately for Canadians, our lapdog msm makes America's look like absolute tigers when it comes to its habitual failure to hold any Liberal accountable for misconduct. This isn't to say the Liberals can't be thrown out, only that it's a lot more uphill hereabouts.
18 posted on 05/06/2005 12:04:40 PM PDT by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: July 4th

The GG is a card carrying lib/soc/commie/elitist. She will do what Paul Martin tells her to do. Very sad.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 12:23:02 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: GMMAC

Does the Governor-General still have the power to dissolve parliament?


20 posted on 05/06/2005 12:46:31 PM PDT by pierrem15
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